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Definitely. I'd put an ad in craigslist for someone with perfect dental health to enroll in a "research test" in which their tongue is scraped 3x daily and kept in fridge for daily collection. (will it survive that?) Would pay them of course not sure how much would be necessary.

So gross though I don't know if I could do it without puking.
No. it won't survive refrigeration.

Cold kills bacteria, I wouldn't risk it.

People will do anything for money, but having a stranger is risky af. You'd need to pay for testing HIV, Hepatitis etc. Starts to get complicated and expensive.

But anyway, see if this works first, hey? :D


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WhiteCat wrote:
Definitely. I'd put an ad in craigslist for someone with perfect dental health to enroll in a "research test" in which their tongue is scraped 3x daily and kept in fridge for daily collection. (will it survive that?) Would pay them of course not sure how much would be necessary.

So gross though I don't know if I could do it without puking.
No. it won't survive refrigeration.

Cold kills bacteria, I wouldn't risk it.

People will do anything for money, but having a stranger is risky af. You'd need to pay for testing HIV, Hepatitis etc. Starts to get complicated and expensive.

But anyway, see if this works first, hey? :D
Yeah, same issues that fecal transplants have when it comes to donor stools. It comes with risks for sure and definitely best to take it from a spouse or family member you know to be in good health. If it works I would not rest until finding a way to convince a good candidate.
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I don't think fasting is necessary. When people who undergoes FMT's fast they do it to reduce the amount of feces and bacteria in their entire digestive tract. You only need to reduce it on the tongue essentially, which can be done by just scraping and perhaps using bleach. If you are going to do a series of transplants then maybe using bleach only before the very first one would be a good idea. It would help kill off the pathogens and if it has a negative effect on the new flora, the subsequent transplants wouldn't be affected.
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Dead wrote:I don't think fasting is necessary. When people who undergoes FMT's fast they do it to reduce the amount of feces and bacteria in their entire digestive tract. You only need to reduce it on the tongue essentially, which can be done by just scraping and perhaps using bleach. If you are going to do a series of transplants then maybe using bleach only before the very first one would be a good idea. It would help kill off the pathogens and if it has a negative effect on the new flora, the subsequent transplants wouldn't be affected.
Yeah, I’ll think it over...

I could do a little research into the different types of bleaches available.

I did study microbiology at university a few thousand years ago and I clearly remember our lab professor mentioning that some of the better disinfectants had residual effects.

I would need to avoid those for this experiment.
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Dead wrote:I don't think fasting is necessary. When people who undergoes FMT's fast they do it to reduce the amount of feces and bacteria in their entire digestive tract. You only need to reduce it on the tongue essentially, which can be done by just scraping and perhaps using bleach. If you are going to do a series of transplants then maybe using bleach only before the very first one would be a good idea. It would help kill off the pathogens and if it has a negative effect on the new flora, the subsequent transplants wouldn't be affected.
Yeah, I’ll think it over...

I could do a little research into the different types of bleaches available.

I did study microbiology at university a few thousand years ago and I clearly remember our lab professor mentioning that some of the better disinfectants had residual effects.

I would need to avoid those for this experiment.
I know that chlorhexidine has that effect. It binds to the tissue and then gets released slowly over time. Yeah definitely avoid that one..
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Ok, I’m going to begin this experiment in mid December, when my husband and I will be together every day on holidays from work.

In the meantime I will try other things - I’ve just cut gluten and I’m going to buy chlorophyll today too.

I will also take time to do some research into how best to run the experiment, like concurrent diet etc.

I’ll set a solid date in early December.

Ugh. Fml.
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Great, can't wait for the result!
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WhiteCat wrote:Ok, I’m going to begin this experiment in mid December, when my husband and I will be together every day on holidays from work.

In the meantime I will try other things - I’ve just cut gluten and I’m going to buy chlorophyll today too.

I will also take time to do some research into how best to run the experiment, like concurrent diet etc.

I’ll set a solid date in early December.

Ugh. Fml.
I truly hope there are good results. You deserve it!

Thank you for doing this for us!!
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Ok, I am thinking about filming this experiment (unsure if I will) but I wrote a basic script for if I do to prevent rambling.

Just basic info about my age, what type of halitosis I think I have, a full list of everything I've tried over the last 30 years and what other types of health problems I have and don't have.

It also includes basic health information about my donor.

When I got to the end of the script I realised I faced another decision regarding how often I am going to transplant during the experiment.

Originally I was planning to transplant 3x per day - but now I realise I can transplant every hour if I want.

How much is enough? How much is too much?

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

Advice/ opinions are requested.

Thanks guys :)
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WhiteCat wrote:Ok, I am thinking about filming this experiment (unsure if I will) but I wrote a basic script for if I do to prevent rambling.

Just basic info about my age, what type of halitosis I think I have, a full list of everything I've tried over the last 30 years and what other types of health problems I have and don't have.

It also includes basic health information about my donor.

When I got to the end of the script I realised I faced another decision regarding how often I am going to transplant during the experiment.

Originally I was planning to transplant 3x per day - but now I realise I can transplant every hour if I want.

How much is enough? How much is too much?

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

Advice/ opinions are requested.

Thanks guys :)
This is such a tough thing for lay-people like us to figure out. It'd be nice if someone with some relevant expertise could help us form a reasonable plan.

One would assume the more often the transplants are performed the better.

That PDF is pretty interesting! It's a shame it doesn't continue on into more detail. I'm still not sure how a transplant will work if the native flora is still intact. You may need a full plaque cleaning from a dentist before attempting the transplant. Not sure..
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Any updates in this.
For type 1 sufferers, bad breath is mostly caused by overgrowths of sulphur-reducing bacteria within your microbiome. You should spend more time focusing your attention on these overgrowths if you want to find your permanent cure.
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Hey, I'm not doing it. It's tooooo gross. Eww.

I've got a dietitian now and am hoping that this is my solution.

I'm doing the RPAH Allergy Diet coupled with bi-carb paste over the tongue that was suggested by another member (it works well for me) which is an indication that diet is the culprit.
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Also for anyone thinking of trying this themselves, i've found out that the only way for new bacteria to colonize in our digestive tract is by a fecal matter transplant only.
For type 1 sufferers, bad breath is mostly caused by overgrowths of sulphur-reducing bacteria within your microbiome. You should spend more time focusing your attention on these overgrowths if you want to find your permanent cure.
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Did anyone ever attempt this?
22 UK

Tonsils/adenoids removed
FESS surgery
Visited 3+ ENTs & 2 gastros.
Diagnosed w/ SIBO (hydrogen test)
Peroxide, metronidazole and Sodium Hypochlorite all worked for 2 weeks.

FODMAP, vegan and candida diet tried. Slight improvement.
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