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Wisdom Teeth Extraction Cured My Nasal Bad Breath

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Hi Cured,

Thanks for you reply.

I have been to several dentist but none of them seem to think my wisdom teeth/gums are a cause of my bad breath. I have gums which bleed around the bottom wisdom teeth with some pockets there.

The two bottom wisdom teeth have emerged but on the inside section the gum is at the same level as the top of the wisdom teeth. DO you get what i am saying? Not sure if my description will help you.

Anyways, is that partly erupted or fully erupted? Its not as high out of the gum as the other teeth are. Could food get trapped or bacteria get trapped here?

I went to a dentist to complain about my 2 bottom wisdom teeth and the fact that the gums around them are bleeding and spongy. The stupid man says he cant see any problem there. Anyways, like I notice that I tend to get ulcers on the bottom cheek just beside the wisdom teeth on the bottom
These are small but come and go. By the time I visit the dentist they seem to go completely. But seem to resurface as red dots now and then. Nowhere else but just beside my 2 bottom wisdom teeth.

Could this possibly be a contributing cause????????

I would have a hard time convincing my blind dentist to take them out if he cant see anything wrong with them.

Drastic


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HI cured,

I am trying to upload a picture of what my wisdom teeth look like. Let me know if it works.


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Hey Drastic,

DONT TRUST DENTISTS WHEN IT COMES TO BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at what Cured's experienced dentist said when he put the question of a possible connection with his wisdom teeth and BB to him, it was dismissed - yet it turned out to be 100% the cause of his BB!
I cant claim i've been cured yet having had mine out, but NO dentist ever suggested any connection with mine and BB, yet it STUNK. If they knew anything about microbiology they would have known such an area would be producing the constant fetid material mine was producing, but it was only by total chance i discovered that for myself.

Gum does not adhere to the teeth around the crown and the enamel part, so it cant seal it off. Just as an example, people with a deep groove in the middle of their tongue can have bad breath because of that, and that's just a very shallow anaerobic area. Even the tongue papillae themselves are barely anaerobic, but its enough for the anaerobic bacteria there to thrive. So just imagine what pockets around the crown of a tooth can do.

Im not implying that BB odours come directly out of such pockets, but i think its highly feasible that the fetid material constantly pouring out from them, and from my own experience its incredible how much does. These are very potent smelling chemicals which easily move around by the saliva and INFEST any absorbant areas within the mouth, such as any tongue coating, dental plaque and trapped food debris.

Even before i had this tooth extracted, simply rubbing the tip of my tongue around that area every few minutes and "rinsing" it with saliva and trying to swallow it away, this almost completely got rid of the shit taste in my mouth, and i could hardly smell anything on my tongue coating. This improvement went on constantly for weeks before i had the tooth out.

It doesnt sound to me like those teeth you describe are fully erupted, which is very commonly the case with wisdom teeth because of overcrowding. These ulcers you describe may be from any teeth that are scraping the area, again this is common when teeth may grow distorted because of overcrowding.

BTW im unable to see anything in that link, and when i have more time i'll look into posting the photo i took of mine before i had it removed.
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Thanks Halitosissux,

I was looking in the mirror this morning and I am seeing blood in the gum around my bottom wisdom teeth. I am very pissed off at my dentist for dismissing me when I mentioned my bb being linked to wisdom teeth.

My only other option is to have the bottom 2 wisdom removed. the top ones are fully erupted and I have no problem there.

I really get upset when I look at my bottom wisdom teeth becasue you can see it being stuck in the gum with blood.

Sorry you cant see the link.

Drastic
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Drastic,

Just assertively mention that you'd like to have those bottom teeth out.
It makes me so angry when people can get plastic surgery or whatever else for FREE because its affecting them psychologically etc - *%^$*%*$*£ what we go through having this problem, and we have to "convince" people to do thing's that WE'RE PAYING FOR!
Make sure you place the extraction of those teeth near the top of your priority-list drastic. Teeth or gums almost always turn out to be the cause of most cases of halitosis eventually, and you have a blindingly obvious situation which could be squarely behind your BB.
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Thanks Halitosisux,

If you read my many previous thread before surgery you will see that this wisdom gum problem have been going on for a while and most dentist just overlook it as nothing. Imagine that. You are right.People treat us like we are stupid when we mention extracting widsom teeth but they are willing to do cosmetic/plastic surgery on other.

What a F**KED UP IRONIC WORLD WE LIVE IN.

I will add these to the top of my list.

Drastic
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Hey Halitosisux,

Glad to hear that your extraction seems to be improving your bb. Could I ask you a couple of questions about it (apologies if you've answered these questions before in previous posts)?

I was wondering if your extracted tooth was decayed or was it impacted and collecting bacteria in that way? Also, did you have a skin flap or a deep pocket? Was the gum inflamed or sore? You said if you rubbed your tongue around the tooth, it would decrease the smell coming from it, if you rubbed your finger on the gum, did it smell like your bb?

I noticed that my bb definately comes from one side of my mouth, but I can't work out if it could be coming from a back tooth or from my pnd (that comes only from my right nostril, and this is the side that smells worse). If I rub a cotton bud on the back of my tongue it smells like my breath, but if I rub it on the back tooth, it doesn't smell of anything (which makes me think it's the pnd and not the tooth).
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Hey Snobuni thanks,

I'll try to answer your questions by painting a clearer picture of my situation. The wisdom tooth which i recently had extracted was not decayed. My lower jaw is very crowded and the tooth in question had so little room that it grew so far back in the jaw that it had embedded itself partially into the tissues and gum in the rear of my mouth. I could describe it as a flap, but i think a flap of gum usually forms when the tooth is less erupted than mine was and the tooth doesnt quite fully break through the gum.

I dont know if my tooth situation could have be classified as being impacted, its just due to overcrowding that it never fully erupted (about 70%) but it was straight, unlike the tooth on the opposite side which is still in and horizontally impacted, but completely below the gum.

An anaerobic pocket had formed which im assuming became filled with "normal" oral bacteria. Food and other debris would then become trapped there which fed the bacteria and a constant oozing of putrid material would seep out into my mouth which then caused everywhere to smell, including i presume my tonsil crypts (while i still had tonsils). If i ever rubbed a finger around this pocket my finger would smell of a mixture of tonsils stones and cheese. Before this extraction, my tongue would smell really bad, just like the odour coming from that pocket, and now no matter how hard i try i cant detect any odour from my tongue, only very very slightly at the far back if i try hard enough.
The positioning of this tooth also meant that the movement of my jaw acted like a pump, pushing debris in and out of this pocket.

Its hard to describe the condition of the gum and tissues that surrounded it because it was a mix of gum and the tissues at the back of my mouth, but now looking at the picture i took, it did seem a little swollen in places. The only pain i felt was a constant dull pain inside my jaw. Sometime it would become infected and cause the most dreadful pain, but because i never wanted to take antibiotics unnecessarily (or see a dentist for that matter) i'd just rinse the area with salt water for a few days and thankfully it would clear up by itself.

Rubbing my tongue around the area would just wash away whatever had recently oozed out. Nothing i did could ever stop or reduce the amount of gunk coming out from this pocket - i even tried syringeing neat bleach into it, but the bacteria from the rest of my mouth would soon re-populate so this was futile. I think this also explains why metronidazole could get rid of my BB while i was taking it, but as soon as i stopped, because this abnormal anaerobic structure was present, the underlying cause was always there, and bacteria soon resume along with the BB.

Its important to note that this wasnt a gum pocket like those seen with gingivitis/periodontitis etc, which is a breach of the seal between the "inside" and "outside" of the body, classified as disease. It was merely an abnormal structure allowing the formation of a large anaerobic area.

Snobuni, i dont know whether something going on inside the nasal cavity would stick to left or right by the time it reaches the throat, have you ruled out your adenoids? You have that strange lump near your lingual tonsils too, is that on the same side as your BB? Please dont forget that [cured] had nothing obviously wrong with his wisdom teeth and their extraction was strongly discouraged at the time by a very experienced dentist, yet they turned out to be the culprit. It may take only a tiny amount of putrid material and potent chemicals seeping out from somewhere to completely infest the mouth with foul odours. It may be that in certain abnormal conditions within the mouth, such as mine, allows certain species of bacteria to become present in the mouth that are responsible for BB - recent studies have shown this to be the case in those with chronic BB.
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Hey Halitosisux,

Thanks for such a full and detailed reply. It really sounds like you've found and dealt with the source of your bb. After reading about your symptoms, I don't think my tooth can be my bb cause. As I said, if I rub around it, it doesn't smell, plus it's never sore, inflamed or has any king of putrid discharge, it just looks like a shallow indentation between the gum and tooth, which I thought could be gathering food/bacteria, but maybe not.

When I see my ENT next month, I'm going to ask about adenoids, as when I wake up in the morning, behind my nose always feels very dry and sore. I'm also going to ask about my smelly mucous and my lingual tonsils. After that, there doesn't seem much else to try. I asked my GP about the strange lump on the back of my tongue and she had a look and said it's a normal structure and that mine's just a bit larger than usual!!

Thanks again for the reply,

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Hi Halitosisux,

I saw my dentist today. Just as I and you thought he said my bottom 2 wisdom teeth are only 3/4 erupted. He said that NHS will not go for taking out my bottom 2 wisdom teeth and again wanted to refer me to a another private specialist.

So, my next move is to change dentist again. So, I am looking for a new dentist again.

It is so sad that there is clearlya problem and he wont help. All he went on about was it could cause nerve damage to my jaw bone. That is the least of my worries if I cant get a job with stink breath. Nerve damage will be a risk but not necessarily so if I get a good oral surgeon. He wont refer me.

So, back to square one. It was so obvious that the gums around my wisdom teeth are bleeding even now after cleaning them.

I am just fed up and tired of it all. if I go on the road and get any rude comments from people about my breath then I am just going to flip. No more nice girl. I am just going to flip and curse their ass out. I am telling you I am up to here with it all. People go to dentist to get help and the response is no we wont help you. If I get one f**king comment from any ANYBODY about my bad breath I am going to tell them F**K THE HELL OFF BASTARD. These things just get me down esp. when people try to help themselves by seeking help and then the so called dentist wont help. F**K the whole lot of them. They are just one load of F**King BASTARDS.

I will have to go private. £295 to get one wisdom teeth pulled and I dont even have the money or a job.

Well I am just stumped. Just Stumped.

At a loss for words at this F**ked up world.

Drastic
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Hey Snobuni yw,
This smelly mucus of yours isnt right and i hope with the help of your ENT it will lead you to the cause of this and your BB. Adenoids can cause sinus/nasal problems and lead to your symptoms. Good luck with the antibiotics when you start that after xmas, please keep us posted.

Hi Drastic,
Sorry to hear about your bad day.
Did your dentist mention the situation with your wisdoms could be causing BB? Do those gums bleed all the time? if not what does it take to make them bleed?
If you feel convinced within yourself that these teeth are responsible, and by the sound of your description it seems as though its highly likely they could be, then be happy that you've discovered a situation which at the very least must be making your breath much worse than it would otherwise be. Blood coming from there in the way that you describe is a sign of a level of gum disease. My gum didnt bleed easily, i dont think it was any different to any other healthy area of gum in that respect.
Are these teeth in question straight or impacted? If they are straight im surprised a dentist cant just take them out as mine were, and the top 2 wisdoms in my 20's. This concern about nerve damage is usually only a worry with unerupted teeth which usually have to be drilled into pieces and removed in sections, and in most cases the nerve "damage" is only temporary. Might be well worth seeking the opinion of another dentist.
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Hi Halitosisux,

The dentist was a young guy. Seemed to have no clue if the bleeding gums could be contributing to my bad breath.

My two bottom wisdom teeth are 3/4 or 75% erupted according to him but when I look in the mirror they seem a bit slant at an agle to the inside so there is more teeth surface on the outside of the teeth and very little teeth surface if any on the inside section of my mouth. Hope you got that description. Not too slant though. Only little.Shouldnt be a problem.

I have no doubt that I have multiple causes of bad breath my stomach being one of them with acid reflux. But I also wanted to take care of my widom teeth becasue the only bleeding I have is from the gums around the wisdom teeth.

The dentist admitted that these bottom teeth will not grow out any further and that he can see its difficult to clean them because they are only 75% erupted. He admitted all that.

I guess what the F**King BASTARD is waiting for is when my mouth fills up and swells up with infection when I cant talk then he will come to the rescue. F**K HIM. I am changing dentist Today. He is F**KING IDIOT.



I am so pissed. The only place that is bleeding is around the 2 bottom wisdom teeth. I just dont know what else to do. I think these wisdom teeth are related. Somehow, if my wisdom gums keep bleeding then obviously that is going to be a food source for the bad bacteria in my mouth.

I will seek another dentist. For now I am just tired of it all.

Drastic
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Hi Drastic,
Dont give up on those wisdom teeth - the way you've described them you must surely have a pocket around the crown, although i dont understand why they'd be bleeding since this type of pocket isnt an actual breach of the "seal" between the gum and teeth, but simply a pocket formed around the crown of the tooth. If you did have a bacterial breach of this seal it would lead to a very painful condition called periocoronitis (not too sure on the spelling there) but believe me that HURTS, ive had it several times.

Try to use the time over xmas to relax and forget about BB because these feelings of desperation seem to be working against you. Feel positive that you KNOW you have located a problem which at least is likely to be exacerbating your BB, if not solely behind it. One way or another you'll eventually find a way to deal with these teeth, once your mind has been released from the stress lately - you've barely healed from your tonsillectomy... so take a deep breath and one step at a time you have plenty to go on in the new year, and that's the important thing.
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Thanks Halitosisux,

I will rest over the christmas holiday. No use stressing and getting depressed over this. Life is meant for living. Its just that people like us go through so much in our life just to not let others smell us. But the truth is, if we have done all we can then we have nothing to be ashamed of or nothing to be hiding from people. If they smell us so be it. Life too short to be stressed hiding things from people and worrying if they can smell us etc.

I say do our bit with good hygiene and good food. And the rest is neither here or there. Becasue for the majority of people with Chronic Halitosis they cannot control it. So, nothing to be ashamed of. If people want to talk let them talk. As Jimi said, OPEN OUR MOUTHS AND STOP KEEPING OUR MOUTH CLOSED>

OPEN OUR MOUTH TALK> DONT BE AFRAID>

Thank you Halitosisux for your advice. I am really going to just rest and take it very easy this holiday.

I see my doctor next week hopefully the HP stool test will be back by then, if not then I am going to ask for some metrondazole antibiotic in a cool calm and rationale way. I have learnt that when we act desperate people use us and treat us in a negative way and also see us as mental patients>WACKO. So, My new year resolution is to be very clinical and rational about bad breath. I am also going to make sure I dress very professionally for the doctor's appointment as if I am going to a job interview. I notice that doctors sometimes think we are sickos imagining bad breath when we dont dress all that well to the interview. So, new plan for me. First rest my mind, body and spirit taking a break from this BB. Then, dress professionally and speak rationally to my doctor about anitbiotic therapy for bad breath.


One life to live. Lets live it.

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Greetings Drastic,
The two bottom wisdom teeth have emerged but on the inside section the gum is at the same level as the top of the wisdom teeth. DO you get what i am saying? Not sure if my description will help you.
Yes, I get what you're saying.
Anyways, is that partly erupted or fully erupted?
It does sound like those two teeth of yours are impacted.
Its not as high out of the gum as the other teeth are. Could food get trapped or bacteria get trapped here?
Sure.
Could this possibly be a contributing cause????????
It could be, yes.
I would have a hard time convincing my blind dentist to take them out if he cant see anything wrong with them.
A few things here...

Bacteria feeding on tiny trapped food particles need very little real estate in our mouths to make our lives a waking nightmare when it comes to bad breath. Let's keep in mind they're microscopic in size. The gums around your wisdom teeth don't need to visibly manifest any nasty symptoms of infection such as bleeding, redness, discoloration, swelling, ulceration etc. to cause problems.

In fact I reckon that in most cases things won't ever progress to the sort of severity that manifests physically observable symptoms where people are otherwise taking care of their teeth and visit the dentist regularly. As everybody on this site knows all too well, the mouth is a very hardy place when it comes to letting bacteria survive and thrive there relative to other parts of the body, which can show physical signs of infection much earlier.

To say that there is no problem because there are very few to no physically visible symptoms is like saying unpasteurized milk is safe to drink because we can't see any critters in it. Of course your dentist won't be able to see the bacteria, and he won't be able to go digging around in the back of your gums and between the crevices separating your gums and teeth to find lodged food there. The area is simply too small and the space too tight.

You will likely not have any success presenting your case to any dentist for extraction based on observable physical symptoms. You just need them to agree with you that:

1. Your wisdom teeth are impacted.

2. The crevices caused by the impactions are impossible to brush or floss properly or otherwise clean properly.

3. You complain of chronic bad breath inspite of aggressive brushing and flossing.

If you can get them to agree on all these three you've essentially made your case because that puts the onus on them to offer you a solution to an otherwise insurmountable problem. Of course, if you're having odors when you floss that area or other associated problems you can always throw those things in there too.

Don't present it as though they are the doctor and it's their job to find the source of the problem because they'll never see or find it. You already know what the problem is and are just asking them to work with you to solve it. Take your health into your own hands and be assertive about it, but be logical as well.

Of course, and you may correct me here if I'm wrong, but as I may recall reading, you have not had your tonsils out. If that's the case you shouldn't be looking at your getting your wisdom teeth out before your tonsils. Refer to the order I wrote about in my original post in this thread.

Hope this helps.
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