hey
i heard someone mention this briefly on this site before, and so started to look into it.
i saw the symptoms and i seem to fit alot o them, expecially the BB. just wondering whether anyone knew more about this and any treatments/medicines for it.
im reluctant to go to my doctors as they send me away immediately when they hear i heard about it on the internet, without even listening.
have seen a few products for it, just wondering whether they were worth investing £££, as iv wasted so much on useless bb products.
any help much appreciated
candida
Hey Macks
I've been treating mine with really effective anit-candi tablets, taking 2 at lunch and 4 before bed, althought this exceeds the stated dose.
It has made a slight difference to my breath but has a huge impact on the thick gungy mucus at the back of my throat, and sorry for this next gross bit... when i wake up i get a large ball of thick brown muck which i have to cough up - i dont smoke but before the tablets i had this each morning and nearly choked but now its no longer there.
throughout the day i would be coughing trying to free my throat from this stuff but dont have to anymore.
anyway, thats how its worked for me. the anti-candi diet is impossible to stick to and the tablets have been the best for me.
you need to bear in mind that these will release toxins so i take milk thistle with it.
hope this helps.
I've been treating mine with really effective anit-candi tablets, taking 2 at lunch and 4 before bed, althought this exceeds the stated dose.
It has made a slight difference to my breath but has a huge impact on the thick gungy mucus at the back of my throat, and sorry for this next gross bit... when i wake up i get a large ball of thick brown muck which i have to cough up - i dont smoke but before the tablets i had this each morning and nearly choked but now its no longer there.
throughout the day i would be coughing trying to free my throat from this stuff but dont have to anymore.
anyway, thats how its worked for me. the anti-candi diet is impossible to stick to and the tablets have been the best for me.
you need to bear in mind that these will release toxins so i take milk thistle with it.
hope this helps.
hey,
larc, im in the uk and get them either from my local health food store or holland and barratt. the h&b ones are literally called 'anti-candi'.
happy, there have been no side effects in the 18 months i've been using them. through the research ive done i dont beleive there are any. although i should imagine if you take them without milk thistle you might feel a bit sluggish.
its well known to the health stores and they have their own versions, check out google for candida tablets.
i pay £15-£20 for 100 although there are much cheaper ones, but you'd have to take more of them and may not have all the necessary ingredients.
c
larc, im in the uk and get them either from my local health food store or holland and barratt. the h&b ones are literally called 'anti-candi'.
happy, there have been no side effects in the 18 months i've been using them. through the research ive done i dont beleive there are any. although i should imagine if you take them without milk thistle you might feel a bit sluggish.
its well known to the health stores and they have their own versions, check out google for candida tablets.
i pay £15-£20 for 100 although there are much cheaper ones, but you'd have to take more of them and may not have all the necessary ingredients.
c
It's definately the tablets, otherwise I wouldn't spend so much on them! If I stop taking them for 2 or 3 days the throat gunk starts to return slowly but surely. You could give it a try and see what works for you, should start to kick in less than a week after taking the first lot.
Ok cheeky Larc, ingredients per tablet...
Oregano 750mg, Olive Leaf 500mg, Garlic (no smell) 500mg , Potmarigold 375mg, Thyme 375mg, Cardamon 250mg, Clove extract 250mg, Cinamon 5mg, Fennel Seed 3mg, Peppermint Oil 3mg.
Good luck
C
Ok cheeky Larc, ingredients per tablet...
Oregano 750mg, Olive Leaf 500mg, Garlic (no smell) 500mg , Potmarigold 375mg, Thyme 375mg, Cardamon 250mg, Clove extract 250mg, Cinamon 5mg, Fennel Seed 3mg, Peppermint Oil 3mg.
Good luck
C
...maybe you can get some from H&B and start selling on eBay, to us poor people who are not currently in the UK 
Re: candida
I'd mostly disagree with you there. Candida albicans is natural yeast found everywhere, including our mouths. Everybody has it, including people who don't have bad breath. So it is not a cause of bad breath, or at least it shouldn't be. Now an overgrowth of that yeast is called thrush, and whether or not that affects breath odor it is quite noticeable as it will create an unmistakable white coating on the tongue (just Google "thrush" to see what I mean).macks86 wrote:i saw the symptoms and i seem to fit alot o them, expecially the BB. just wondering whether anyone knew more about this and any treatments/medicines for it.
There's a whole host of snake oil merchants who will try to convince you Candida is a problem and needs their special pills to clear up, but it's simply not true.
Even though I had no signs of thrush, my ENT prescribed for me the Magic Miles solution, as well as Diflucan to take, just as a toss up try. The first made no noticeable difference at all, and the second, as Charley noted as well, cleared my throat, as well as my nose of much of its mucus. The first day I took it I felt great, no bad breath or any problems. I felt so good in fact, that I swore it must have done the trick by getting rid of my mucus (it was that which I believed at the time to be causing my bad breath). By the second and third days I had let downs (ie, a return of my bad breath), as well as re-increased mucus production. So it didn't solve my problem, but I went back to my ENT and asked him to control my mucus production and wondered if that could ultimately stop my bad breath.
He explained that mucus is naturally supposed to be there, and that it doesn't inherently cause odor, and that people who have an underproduction of mucus often have bad teeth because the bacteria attack them in its absence.
In general, bacteria and yeast in the mouth are in a balance of sorts, and an absence of one will cause the other to grow out of control. We should treat playing with this balance like playing with fire. When I used to shove antibiotic ointment up my nose (at the time to kill what I falsely believed was causing my bad breath) it went up my nostrils, then back and out onto the rear, top of my tongue. I got black hairy tongue as a result.
So if you ask someone who's been there and tried that, in hindsight I wouldn't have spent money on any anti-Candida product. There are even some websites out there that claim to show with a diagram that if you spit into a glass of water and your spit yields fine specks in the water that settle on the bottom of the glass, that you have candidaisis. Having tried the spit test myself and had specks on the bottom and having (very apparently, since neither remedy I mentioned above changed anything) had no yeast infection I can testify it is absolute bunk.
In general, my ordeal has taught me that people are barking up the wrong tree if blaming bad breath on any fungus and/or yeast, as they (including Candida albicans), like natural mucus, don't inherently cause foul odor, if any odor at all. Believe me, I know having chronic halitosis is hellish having been through my own hell with it...when you're in that weary-soul state you become willing to rationalize ANYTHING as the cause, no matter how ridiculous or unscientific it may sound to the non-sufferer.
Foul odors come from one main source: B-A-C-T-E-R-I-A. Whether it smells like rotten eggs to meat to feet to feces to a garbage bag to cheese to a multitude of other odors, and whether it originates from your tongue, tonsils, gums, throat, sinuses the ultimate cause is under the microscope. My advice is to keep your attention where it belongs and not to get distracted with fungus.
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I'd be willing to bet the details of his or her story aren't so badda-bing badda-boom, if there's even a true correlation. Besides, this would be a case of acute halitosis, not chronic. Thrush may be a problem, but is unmistakable for those who have it.Archimonde wrote:Well, i remember someone who took Diflucan and it cured his bb. I don't think you can discard candida as a possible cause of bb.
Abandoning bacteria as the cause and going down the fungal/yeast route is Grand Canyon-sized folly any way you slice it.
I have to say i think there might be something with candida overgrowth.
First of all candida overgrowth is difficult to diagnose. There is no easy blood test that 100% proves you have this or that amount of candida overgrowth or any other test for that matter.
You can take stool test and it's also not conclusive. I had couple of stool tests few weeks in a row and one came back as candida overgrowth other didn't and my doc was trying to convince me i'm fine. There's also swab (saliva) test from back of the mouth and throat. It's also not conclusive because main area where candida lives is in our guts.
You can have candida (or yeast overgrowth to call it in general) and don't have oral or vaginal thrush. It all depends, also i've been told yeast overgrowth usually have some symptoms on our toe nails. But all of this is nothing conclusive to clearly say this person 100% doesn't have fungal problem.
The way medicine works is like this... if you have disfigured nose and it is causing you emotional problems then you have problem with the nose. But if you're fine and living normally then docs will say you have no problem. It's up to patient if he feels something is creating a problem for him. On the other hand doctors have to be careful with lots of hypochondriacs. Since there is no cure for chronic halitosis we end up in between.
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First of all candida overgrowth is difficult to diagnose. There is no easy blood test that 100% proves you have this or that amount of candida overgrowth or any other test for that matter.
You can take stool test and it's also not conclusive. I had couple of stool tests few weeks in a row and one came back as candida overgrowth other didn't and my doc was trying to convince me i'm fine. There's also swab (saliva) test from back of the mouth and throat. It's also not conclusive because main area where candida lives is in our guts.
You can have candida (or yeast overgrowth to call it in general) and don't have oral or vaginal thrush. It all depends, also i've been told yeast overgrowth usually have some symptoms on our toe nails. But all of this is nothing conclusive to clearly say this person 100% doesn't have fungal problem.
The way medicine works is like this... if you have disfigured nose and it is causing you emotional problems then you have problem with the nose. But if you're fine and living normally then docs will say you have no problem. It's up to patient if he feels something is creating a problem for him. On the other hand doctors have to be careful with lots of hypochondriacs. Since there is no cure for chronic halitosis we end up in between.
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Back to candida... i wouldn't say fungal overgrowth would directly manifest in our oral cavity or nose or throat. From what i've read candida can cause us to be constantly tired by weakening our immune system because of constant intolerance reactions in our body. Fungi (candida), as they claim, has this long threads that supposedly puncture our intestine walls. Intestines are supposed to absorb only completely digested food into our blood. Since candida made these holes then not completely digested food enters our blood and there is immediate intolerance reaction. That goes on on daily basis since we eat every day which in turn makes us tired all the time and makes our immune system under constant stress.
Intolerance reaction to food is basically the cause of PND. Yes i know so are other substances like pollen, dust etc. but those we can get rid of and what we are left with is food. We have to eat every day, no getting around it. So we cant avoid food intolerance unless going under strict diet.
I had one thing that stood written in my mind forever. I did huge amount of blood tests over the years and i always had this sedimentation rate elevated (its what shows in your blood test if you have any kind of inflammation - meaning your immune system is fighting something somewhere) sometimes a lot sometimes a little less. Back then i didn't connect it with it and i haven't done blood tests in years now but i will go on full exam in next couple of weeks and check again.
So to conclude, all this what i wrote comes from what i read from books and internet. Information could be wrong or could be right. Really hard to tell so i take everything with grain of salt. Nonetheless, it most definitely shouldn't be ignored cause it just might be the right way in curing ourselves from BB.
On another note - how do we develop candida(fungi) overgrowth in the first place? What makes us different than the rest of population?
I've been thinking about that too and i tried connecting poisoning to it. Amalgam (mercury) from amalgam teeth fillings and mercury from thermometers (i remember breaking one or two and playing with mercury on the table with my fingers when i was a child!!!). There's also other sources like gas from broken light bulbs (those long tubes used everywhere) and so on.
I still suffer more then ever i wasn't able to cure myself yet. Keep all options open.
Back to candida... i wouldn't say fungal overgrowth would directly manifest in our oral cavity or nose or throat. From what i've read candida can cause us to be constantly tired by weakening our immune system because of constant intolerance reactions in our body. Fungi (candida), as they claim, has this long threads that supposedly puncture our intestine walls. Intestines are supposed to absorb only completely digested food into our blood. Since candida made these holes then not completely digested food enters our blood and there is immediate intolerance reaction. That goes on on daily basis since we eat every day which in turn makes us tired all the time and makes our immune system under constant stress.
Intolerance reaction to food is basically the cause of PND. Yes i know so are other substances like pollen, dust etc. but those we can get rid of and what we are left with is food. We have to eat every day, no getting around it. So we cant avoid food intolerance unless going under strict diet.
I had one thing that stood written in my mind forever. I did huge amount of blood tests over the years and i always had this sedimentation rate elevated (its what shows in your blood test if you have any kind of inflammation - meaning your immune system is fighting something somewhere) sometimes a lot sometimes a little less. Back then i didn't connect it with it and i haven't done blood tests in years now but i will go on full exam in next couple of weeks and check again.
So to conclude, all this what i wrote comes from what i read from books and internet. Information could be wrong or could be right. Really hard to tell so i take everything with grain of salt. Nonetheless, it most definitely shouldn't be ignored cause it just might be the right way in curing ourselves from BB.
On another note - how do we develop candida(fungi) overgrowth in the first place? What makes us different than the rest of population?
I've been thinking about that too and i tried connecting poisoning to it. Amalgam (mercury) from amalgam teeth fillings and mercury from thermometers (i remember breaking one or two and playing with mercury on the table with my fingers when i was a child!!!). There's also other sources like gas from broken light bulbs (those long tubes used everywhere) and so on.
I still suffer more then ever i wasn't able to cure myself yet. Keep all options open.