OralChroma // Anyone in SWEDEN or DENMARK :)?

Larc400 · Post by **Larc400** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:13 am

I would like to buy one of these:

http://www.fisinc.co.jp/en/products/oralchroma.html

...they're really expensive, so I'm looking for someone who'd like to split the cost

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:57 am

How much are they?

Larc400 · Post by **Larc400** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:44 pm

Seven Grand

Getting an OralChroma (or similar) is the only way to find out if a 'cure' really works though...

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:07 pm

Holy ****

But, how much more useful would an oral chroma machine be than a halimeter for measuring your progress?

The oral chroma machine measures 3 chemicals, A halimeter can measure 2 of those - the two chemicals most commonly associated with BB.

Just looked on ebay and saw a halimeter going for $500

If there are other chemicals involved then only a full gas chromatography machine would detect and measure the quantity of everything in a sample of breath. It seems you can get those on ebay for even less than the oral chroma machine.

I'd love to play around with one of those.

Larc400 · Post by **Larc400** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:24 pm

I have a feeling a proper gas chromatograph (as used in labs) costs a fortune..?

I'll check eBay right now though

. A Halimeter might be enough, but I think someone said at some point that Dimethyl sulfide represents 'blood-borne halitosis' ie it doesn't originate orally... so it would be good to get a measurement of that one separately...

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:52 pm

Lots of them on ebay, but I wouldn't have a clue what to go for.

One thing that might be worth trying is to have your breath analysed at a clinic which uses an oral chroma machine. Depending on the results, you would then know which gases you are producing and which machine would be appropriate for your needs.

I wonder how much a lab would charge to have your breath analysed by a full gas chromatograph. You could also then check to see how much trimethylamine is in your breath and how that compares to the kind of readings that someone with TMAU has. Maybe this is too simplistic though?

potty_mouth · Post by **potty_mouth** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:53 am

Hi All,
I would hold off buying one for now.
I'm a gas chromatography engineer and am currently helping Mebo with their breath test study. I'm in direct contact with Fisinc at the moment about unsatisfactory performance of the OralChroma. Last time I had the OralChroma test I asked the dentist's assistant to print out the Chromatogram (something a patient won't normally see). To the untrained eye (ie. a dental assistant or even dentist) this may not have looked wrong, but to someone in the industry, it was clear that the peaks which correspond to the three gases were not being correctly identified and hence incorrectly quantified.
This could be going on all over the world, since the software is clearly not good enough to detect the peaks if they move from the time it was last calibrated. I would urge anyone who wants to take one of these (expensive) tests to only do so if they agree to print out the chromatogram (response vs time plot) of the sample. If you're unsure how to interpret this plot, I'd be happy to help.
I will post the email chain with my chromatogram here soon.

Larc400 · Post by **Larc400** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:31 pm

Thanks Pottymouth

...but which device should I get, instead of the OralChroma..? Going for *one* test at a clinic isn't very useful. I need to test myself regularly, in order to find out what makes the breath better/worse...

MissPretty · Post by **MissPretty** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:29 pm

I'm from Sweden but I do not have much money

potty_mouth · Post by **potty_mouth** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:25 pm

Larc400 wrote:Thanks Pottymouth

...but which device should I get, instead of the OralChroma..? Going for *one* test at a clinic isn't very useful. I need to test myself regularly, in order to find out what makes the breath better/worse...

I'm not saying don't ever get one. But I recommend you wait until I hear back from FIS Inc. If they can explain the issue with the OralChroma then I will let you know, and would be happy to help you set it up.
There is, of course, the halimeter as well, but this does not distinguish between gases. Finally, there is a new product called the "BB checker" which I am also waiting to receive details about.

aydinmur · Post by **aydinmur** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:36 pm

Friends
Dont buy any halitometer.
1- To detect gas,
2- To diagnose the reason
These are different. Halitometers detect presence of some gases in mouth. They detect neither all of odorable gases nor their reason. Save your money.

(By the way, halimeter or oral chroma dont truely detect all gases).
-M

Larc400 · Post by **Larc400** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:28 pm

I would only buy one to measure any progress made. If the readings go down on those three gases, I guess I must be doing something right

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At the moment, any progress is just guesswork, by judging on others' reactions etc. Not very accurate.

hope4now · Post by **hope4now** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:30 am

Larc400 wrote:I would only buy one to measure any progress made. If the readings go down on those three gases, I guess I must be doing something right .

At the moment, any progress is just guesswork, by judging on others' reactions etc. Not very accurate.

Yes. That's why a lot of us are going in circles. Reactions are way too subjective, especially if you're paranoid about your bb. We all need a cheap reliable testing device, even if it's something like disposable litmus pH paper that reacts to VSCs.

aydinmur · Post by **aydinmur** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:17 pm

hope4now wrote:Yes. That's why a lot of us are going in circles. Reactions are way too subjective, especially if you're paranoid about your bb. We all need a cheap reliable testing device, even if it's something like disposable litmus pH paper that reacts to VSCs.

Perhaps I can help you with tell very easy and cheap method to detect sulfur compounds in your mouth.

No need halimeter, nor oral chroma.

Put 1 tea spoon of Lead Acetate into 1 glass distilled water.

Split your saliva in a clean glass. Put 2 drops LeadAcetat on you saliva.

You see white precipitates around lead if there are sulfurs in your saliva

I will post you few photos taken from a halitosis patient's saliva.
-M

thanatos · Post by **thanatos** » Thu May 15, 2014 12:11 am

aydinmur wrote:
hope4now wrote:Yes. That's why a lot of us are going in circles. Reactions are way too subjective, especially if you're paranoid about your bb. We all need a cheap reliable testing device, even if it's something like disposable litmus pH paper that reacts to VSCs.

Perhaps I can help you with tell very easy and cheap method to detect sulfur compounds in your mouth.

No need halimeter, nor oral chroma.

Put 1 tea spoon of Lead Acetate into 1 glass distilled water.

Split your saliva in a clean glass. Put 2 drops LeadAcetat on you saliva.

You see white precipitates around lead if there are sulfurs in your saliva

I will post you few photos taken from a halitosis patient's saliva.
-M

Anyone?