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Sadmum, I've read that sometimes when teeth don't fully erupt, a flap of gum can remain over the crown and allow it to trap debris and bacteria and cause inflammation.
Dentists can cut away this gum and sometimes that's all that's needed.
My wisdom tooth that was producing so much stench was burying itself into the wall at the back of my mouth every time my mouth closed. I never really noticed this happening until I noticed the stench. This is where the bacteria and debris was hiding in my case. Luckily it wasn't affecting any adjacent molars and removal of the tooth was enough to completely deal with the stench problem coming from that side. Even when I opened my mouth, the situation didn't look particularly problematic. But using a dental probe, I could push it into a very deep pocket all the way around the crown of this tooth.
I still have 1 lower impacted wisdom tooth which I still need to deal with. It sits horizontally in the gum and is completely buried on it's side, except for a tiny hole that has formed where the side of the tooth is near the surface. If I rub this area hard I can sometimes smell a mothball-ish odour on my finger.
The odour on my tongue improved by 90%. I have every reason to believe that my breath has significantly improved by this amount, including being told by this by the one person who riduculed me about bad breath every day of my childhood since my earliest memories.
I still get very low levels of tongue odour right at the back from time to time. I'm working on finding ways to prevent that. It may be completely normal, or it may be due to my PND, or it may relate to this last wisdom tooth I have. Both my upper wisdom teeth were removed in 1992.
I'm starting to wonder if I had all of my wisdom teeth removed. I occasionally get (happens recurringly though not so often), especially if I don't waterpik everyday and clean well, an infected area behind the last molar on the left and even right sides.
There doesn't seem to be a hole, but where the gum comes toghether there.. as if there's a wound that doesn't heal. Now, it doesn't actually stink.. I've never smelled my own BB odor from inside the mouth... I' quite familiar with that mothball odor you talk of though. There were times a long time ago, perhaps before I have the regime I do now, or before my tonsils came out, that I remember having a little part of infected gum near a tooth for whatever reason, and I could sniff that on the area. Back when I still had my tonsils, the floss between my gums would stink, particularly if I hadn't flossed in a day.
I tend to think that's what infected areas or stagnating areas of the mouth will typically smell like in anyone's case though.
Hmm... I need to ask my father about the wisdom teeth..
.. At the bottom, in the crevice behind the furthest back tooth. The adjacency where the area behind the tooth and the wall meet. And it's sort of an incline.
I guess I say 'gum comes together' because it's not a smooth spot. It's as if there are gum flaps there as you said.
Have to get ready for work and run out the door now.
Maybe I'll take a picture of my mouth later. I'd like to show my tongue anyway, it's doing the weird pink spot within a roughed up tongue look again.
I understand you now. That's exactly where my wisdom tooth was. Try to imagine half the tooth being so far back that it's actually burying itself into where that meeting "wall" sits.
Every time I opened my jaw, that tooth would come forwards slightly. If I then pushed that wall back with a dental probe, there'd be a big cavity there. That's where all the skank was coming from - and around the rest of the gum because the tooth was also only half-erupted.
It would be very interesting to see your pictures. I made some pictures of mine, but I can no longer find them.
If you have teeth that far back, they are probably wisdom teeth. There's usually 16 teeth along the bottom jaw, just as a guide.
do you still get a bad taste in your mouth? i am trying to figure out if that always corresponds with bb? sometimes i can tell i have both bb and bad taste. other times, it is bad taste but i cannot detect anything. other times, no taste but with bb.
Good question ruch.
Sometimes I do get a bad taste, but it doesn't seem to correspond to anything much.
Aydinmur has recently told us that people with bad breath usually complain about having bad tastes - which doesn't seem too surprising considering the chemicals involved in bad breath. But yet bad tastes don't always correspond to having bad breath.
Some bad tasting chemicals that can get produced on the tongue, or appear there from eating certain foods, can cause odourous breath, but it all depends on the "volatility" of these chemicals - i.e. how easily they evaporate and how sensitive the receiving nose is to those particular molecules.
I was going to scan in my most recent xray, as you can see the area I'm talking about, but there probably isn't anything wrong.(and my scanner decided to not find my computer anymore on the network for some reason.. ugh How annoying all things are when your breath stinks)
I don't have my wisdom teeth. Just 28. All wisdom teeth were taken out a long time ago.
The area that sometimes becomes infected.. even when infected it never smelled.. I suppose if I didn't clean well it would, but. I really don't think that is my problem.. I woke up today with a stagnant, sour taste in the throat and sinuses. My problem has to be from the sinuses, or from the stomach. It has to be reflux or it has to be the sheer amount and thickness of PND. Guh.
mike987 wrote:There doesn't seem to be a hole, but where the gum comes toghether there.. as if there's a wound that doesn't heal. Now, it doesn't actually stink.. I've never smelled my own BB odor from inside the mouth... I' quite familiar with that mothball odor you talk of though. There were times a long time ago, perhaps before I have the regime I do now, or before my tonsils came out, that I remember having a little part of infected gum near a tooth for whatever reason, and I could sniff that on the area. Back when I still had my tonsils, the floss between my gums would stink, particularly if I hadn't flossed in a day.
I think these little wounds you are speaking of are very responsible for bad breath. I had some of them too and fixing them improved my breath. Even though they don´t smell aggressively I think they are constantly providing bad bacteria in your mouth. I also think that this is strongly emphasized if you have mucus in your throat and dry mouth. the dryness allows bacteria to spread and the mucus at the back of the throat is like a barrier that keeps the bacteria and also feeding it with proteins.
I really think that mucus is one of our worst enemies. if people have bad dentals issues but no mucus, they just swallow their bacteria and ist gone. if you have that mucus barrier just little dental irritations have a strong effect on the smell of your breath. i´ve observed that people without BB can develop a smell when they get a cold. I believe its just because of the mucus in their throats they have during that time.
Based on a few things I'm currently experimenting with, I'm convinced that bacteria use some kind of "communication" that defies our basic understandings of how we think they function. Read about what goes on once "free floating" bacteria form into biofilm.
Looked under a microscope, bacteria are just individual cells. But so are WE! Our cells communicate and send signals. Bacterial biofilms do the same.
I think that somehow, where abnormal situations, such as the kind of chronic bacterial infection that has overwhelmed the body's defensives, as typically occurs in the sinuses or in the gums, this leads to bacteria elsewhere in the body to behave differently. i.e., in the throat and the back of the tongue (the main junction of the head) the result is a coated tongue and stinky tonsils and tonsillolith production. In the gut that may be digestive related issues.
Bacteria are like everything else that has to compete for survival. They can be your friend when it suits them to be. But they can also eat you alive if they get a chance to. That's the co-existence we have with bacteria. And just a sniff of weakness and bacteria turn on us. And thick coated tongues are just a sign of that "death" trying to initiate itself.
halitosisux wrote:
(3) Removal of the tooth resulted in 90% reduction of overall tongue odour. Bad breath confirmed by trusted person before removal. The same person confirmed there was no more bad breath after the extraction. Still suffer from intense fear and a degree of halitophobia, based on my mind being unable to stop focusing on whatever feeling and taste is in my mouth. Currenly trying things out, with zinc etc, just to see what's possible with tongue coatings etc and prevention of the small amounts of odour I sometimes experience at the back of my tongue - probably due to PND. I think I need a brain transplant.
how many days have passed since your wisdom tooth extraction? did they make you take antibiotics?
1,150 days!
But I still need to have another wisdom out, but I need to go into hospital for that and I can't at the moment.
I was given a prescription for amoxicillin, but I didn't get them.
Are you still around 90% cured? Can you plz update us. I'm booked to have 2 of my WT taken out this Wednesday by an OMS specialist. I'm not putting my hopes up at all, although I know for a fact that I have an infected WT with a very foul discharge but I'm not sure if it is the main cause of the bb or just one of the many contributors to it!
@Frantix
How's your bb? Have your gums healed? Are you 100% cured?
Any feedback regarding wisdom teeth removals, post surgery complications, improvements and/or cures would be helpful and appreciated.
Sadmum, at the moment I'm not getting any odour in my mouth or throat, not from any gum or my tongue. Because this is the only place where I've detected odours from in the past (except for my tonsils which I had removed in 1997) and because I've never had nasal odours, I'm fairly confident that I don't have any bad breath.
I would never try to get any reactions from people, I was always aware of my mouth tasting and smelling like shit, that I would rather suffocate than breathe my stench onto anyone else. But I have tried breathing onto people now, and they don't flinch or run for cover, so even if I even have slight BB, I'm ok with having slight odour.
Good luck with your extraction on Wednesday! Trial and error is the way out of this nightmare. Look at this as another small but important step to rule out. Keep researching cos that's the only way out of this rut, and while there's things we haven't yet ruled out, there is ALWAYS hope.
I don't know much about the surgery to remove buried teeth and post surgery, my 3 wisdom teeth I've had out were very straightforward extractions without stitches etc. I just used frequent salt water rinses for a couple of days and my gums healed very quickly. Be careful not to dislodge any blood clots that form in the extraction site. They will keep bacteria and debris out. rinse very gently.
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