Hopefully, this will help you guys

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:50 pm

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billie · Post by **billie** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:53 pm

Apart from sinusitis and bad tonsils, two other things I know that can cause bad breath are
-unbalanced bacterial flora in the mouth (the mouth has its own floral balance like the intestine), caused by inadequate immune system or taking antibiotics. You can help this by putting probiotics in your mouth and leaving them there as you fall asleep, i.e. not swallowing them.
-high cortisol (I don't know if it's the cortisol itself, or if the high cortisol unbalances something else, but I can always smell this on people. The smell is unlike anything else and pretty extemely nasty). You can get strips that measure the level of cortisol in your mouth if you fancy checking this.

Found this on http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.ph ... ath.10316/

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:03 pm

billie · Post by **billie** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:42 pm

Stankie, please calm down. I did not refer or say anything about using cortisol.
It's just whenever I read peoples post, I try to find a lot of information about it. So that is why I posted it. Rember that we are not doctors. I'm just happy that there are people like Noway. I never heard of cortisol, but now I know, so I'm gonna get tested tomorrow.

noway · Post by **noway** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:01 am

billie wrote:Rember that we are not doctors.

And if you waiting doctors or governments to make a huge budget to giving you the perfect unbelievable solution for the problem of ppl who have smelly breath and leave virus C, HIV and respiratory and circulatory patients die, so, you will still waiting all your life brushing, scraping off and rinse...

billie wrote:Rember that we are not doctors. I'm just happy that there are people like Noway. I never heard of cortisol, but now I know, so I'm gonna get tested tomorrow.

you should test the autoimmune issues because it is the base and our target of diagnosis like ANA, ESR,CBC, Blood in stool.. etc, because cortisol levels gives you pseudoindicator and remember always that our diagnosis target is autoimmune and our treatment target is cortisone if the diagnosis got positive results, Now, look for a good Blood Disease and Immunology doctor to start from this station...

Some links give you an idea about the nature of autoimmune hereditary disease which may attack GI systems and can life with the patients lifelong without any fetal or dangerous symptoms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupus_erythematosus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crohn%27s_disease

noway · Post by **noway** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:39 am

billie wrote:
Apart from sinusitis and bad tonsils, two other things I know that can cause bad breath are
-unbalanced bacterial flora in the mouth (the mouth has its own floral balance like the intestine), caused by inadequate immune system or taking antibiotics. You can help this by putting probiotics in your mouth and leaving them there as you fall asleep, i.e. not swallowing them.
-high cortisol (I don't know if it's the cortisol itself, or if the high cortisol unbalances something else, but I can always smell this on people. The smell is unlike anything else and pretty extemely nasty). You can get strips that measure the level of cortisol in your mouth if you fancy checking this.
Found this on http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.ph ... ath.10316/

Great, billie!
it's another scientific view, because stress and depression and anxiety stimulates the adrenal gland to secrete more, and one of the hormones it secrets is adrenaline which increase the power of your vital systems like circulatory and respiratory and digestive systems like fast breathing and heart rate and fast digestive movements and the long time of stress and stimulating adrenal gland leads to secrete more amount of cortisone too if it has the ability to hyper-secretion above the needed concentration and that leads to diminishing the nature immune for long time and make the GI lining tissues exposed to various kinds of microorganisms without body defines and that leads to BB too, so, the high levels of cortisone leads to over growth of microorganisms and low levels also leads to more inflammations and overgrowth of microorganisms too, we still around the effects of log time depression on adrenal gland and concentration of cortisone on blood, so, we are on the right way..
keep searching and analysis...

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:02 am

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Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:07 pm

noway · Post by **noway** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Stankie wrote:More science! (not opinions)

Here is a patent, filed with the US Patent Office, which claims cannabis extracts can be used in place of cortisone, and that cannabis extracts may work on conditions where cortisone is ineffective, and that cannabis extracts exhibits none of the side-effects of cortisone, and cannabis extracts can be used in place when the side-effects of cortisone become to much for one to handle.

Please read and educate yourself.

Google Patents

Actual science! Not opinions.

Good job, Stankie!
But who knows about cannabis extracts?! Who is the doctor whose can contoll cortisone levels with cannabis extracts?! who can recommends the adequate doses of cannabis extracts?! it still a study of a lot studies which bears right and wrong! anyway, it is great you are searching hard to catch the alternatives, but you have followed the wrong path for research, events have preceded, the right steps for successful research is tracing the right diagnose then the treatment not the other way around. I prefer if you concentrate you effort to understand how depression and stress and fear and worries... etc affecting the cortisone level then how cortisone level makes the situation worse and worse to increase the depression more and more, because this strange hormone has changed concentrations normally, cortisone levels reach its maximum levels at the early moments of the morning to gives you a power and awake mental state and still decreasing to rich its minimum level in the midnight to gives you low power and relax to be able to sleep well, disorder of this machine disturbs your life and affect depression badly, if you have low level of cortisone you will be tired always and frustrated even if you just waked up, and the high levels of this vital hormone gives you more unwanted power and mental awake even if you at the end of your day and leads to worried and anxiety and disturbs your biological watch of good sleeping and nightmares and night sweating and stimulating other hormones to be irregularly secreted, so, you need to understand this complicated mechanism 1st, then, watch yourself and try any scientific method to detect and measure this concentration, then, try to link the symptoms to the causes, then, search for the medical treatment, finally, look for the alternatives, so, you can donate a favor for us with your results and lets share the experiences and we are all the winners.
You are lucky because English is your mother tongue language. English is not my mother tongue and i have some difficulties to search for the social websites specialized in supporting BB sufferers, this is the only forum that i know, i depends on my old medical box on my researcher and just mayoclinic.com & wikipedia.org as an internet scientific sources, so, you are lucky you gain this advantage. For example, One information that i got indirectly from member billie helped me a lot and enriched my research, it is the transfusion of cortisone from blood to other vital liquids like saliva and nasal mucus with a typical concentration of blood and that was a missed link on my research, because there is a direct connection between blood and intestinal lining tissues via intestinal protrusions to exchange nutrients and also with lungs via alveoli to exchange gases but with oral lining the answer is saliva and nasal lining the answer is mucus, i got also that there is a strips to fast detect cortisone levels of this vital liquids and that helps much to follow the cortisone levels during special times like stress and anxiety, and even detect if my adrenal disorder is hypo or hyper, still i have another problem because i'm looking for those strips on the local pharmacies, it is not exist to have!

Keep searching, bro, and let's share our results...

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:16 pm

noway · Post by **noway** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:36 pm

Stankie wrote:Some people will have adrenal mis-function, whereas some will have another malady which causes adrenal mis-function.

You are right, and that made my diagnosis strategy have two possibles:

If my diagnosis got a positive results toward having autoimmune antibodies that means mis-function is hypo secretion (not an adequate cortisone concentration) and this maybe caused by continuous stress and worries which consumes cortisone limited concentration let it not enough to inhibiting over immune response and leads to autoimmune inflammations which causes microorganisms overgrowth...

If my diagnosis got a negative results toward having autoimmune antibodies that means mis-function is hyper secretion (high cortisone concentration) and this maybe caused by continuous stress and worries which stimulating my full functionally adrenal gland to continuous secretion of cortisone let it to inhibiting my nature immune system and leads direct microorganisms overgrowth, then i will trace the cortisone levels in random different moments, but still i miss that great technique to measure cortisone if i couldn't find this stripes because laboratory analysis will not give me the true results of this hormone ratio which vary by nature and mental conditions!

emotional rescue · Post by **emotional rescue** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:32 pm

I´m interested in this stuff

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:58 pm

noway · Post by **noway** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:34 pm

emotional rescue wrote:I´m interested in this stuff

I prefer you to complete your diagnosis trip to eliminate the simple direct causes 1st, because reflux is a worthwhile cause...

Stankie wrote:I'm sorry if I missed it, noway, but are you hypo or hyper, or do you not know yet? Are you seeing a doctor for this, or just going about it on your own?

I have studied in medicine collage for 4 years before converting to another collage, so, i'm doing self-study for my case because it's ignorable issue for specialists and they were helpless for me, and i discuss my results with my old colleague every Thursday (they are young doctors now) and the big conflicts they consult them academic doctors and feed me back, for now i have done the cheap blood tests for some symptoms and some significant results was high free T4 (hyperthyroidism) and high WBC count, so i still have no exact evidence to telling you it's hypo or hyper or random disorder, high WBC points to inflammation somewhere or maybe another cause, so, i requests ANA, ESR and stool and waiting for results (ANA takes some time), so, i don't know the kind of my disorder. but my research results for now have no another guilty another than "stress --> genetic predisposition -->adrenal gland --> cortisone --> immune" and i told you before: it is still my vision not a theory...

Stankie wrote: Try this for searching.

http://scholar.google.com/

If you download Google Chrome browser, it should be able to do a fairly good job at translating most of the html/websites.

Thank you, bro...

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:37 am