Best toothpaste and mouthwash product?

[bbuk]

Just wondered what people have found as the best toothpaste and mouthwash product they have found to reduce or slightly control their BB.

I have tried many different types but have yet to find a decent combo.

I am in the UK and have tried:

Arm and Hammer Baking Soda with Calcium
Colgate Maxfresh beads and strips
Colgate Total
Colgate oxygen (anyone know if this is oxygenating toothpaste)
Corsodyl toothpaste

Retardex (seems to make my bb worse)
Dr Katz toothpaste
Tung Zinc tongue gel


For mouthwashes I have tried

Colgate Peroxide
Corsodyl (Chlorhexidine)
Colgate non alcohol
Dentyl pH


Any products people recommend?

I will try 3% hydrogen peroxide diluted with water shortly.

At the moment I brush with arm and hammer followed by colgate oxygen to get the fresh minty feel which the arm and hammer toothpaste doesnt provide.

[halitosisux]

I think Colgate Total is good (contains Triclosan). I have a couple of areas that regularly smell when I floss my teeth. The teeth and gums are healthy, but they are just bad for trapping food because my teeth are overcrowded. Aquafresh Extreme Clean Pure Breath with Zinc (used morning and night) completely stops this odour from building up.

[danger]

does anybody know any toothpastes you can buy in your average store, which dont contain sodium lauryl sulphate(i think thats what it is called). i swear sometimes my mouth feels fresher if i dont brush my teeth(however bizarre that sounds) and i am wondering if the toothpaste i use is drying my mouth out

[bbuk]

Biotene is one.

[WickedCurse]

Aquafresh Extreme Clean Pure Breath with Zinc (used morning and night) completely stops this odour from building up.

This brand of Aquafresh isn't available here in the States. Are you from the UK?

[WickedCurse]

By the way Halitosisux, are you still BB-free after finding out what the problem was (your tooth) and fixing it?

[halitosisux]

I definitely solved what was causing my mouth to turn into sewage. Doesnt mean to say my breath is perfect or the taste in my mouth is perfect. But My mouth feels neutral compared to how it was before and i am assured that my breath is not bad the way it had been since my mid teens.

I've never tried other toothpastes containing zinc. If I use it twice daily I get no odours when I floss my teeth. I've actually just bought some listerine containing zinc. Isnt quite as effective as the toothpaste containing zinc, probably because toothbrushing forces it through the teeth more effectively.

I think any toothpaste containing zinc chloride will do the same.

[brightonguy]

I've actually just bought some listerine containing zinc. Isnt quite as effective as the toothpaste containing zinc, probably because toothbrushing forces it through the teeth more effectively.

Hal, what you made you retract from your no mouthwash policy? I haven't used mouthwash for 3 months (give or take) and overall I'd say my breath is at least somewhat better because of that. However, I would love to find a mouthwash that actually helped. Retardex definitely made my breath a lot worse as did every mouthwash I tried as far as I'm aware.

[hopelessone]

brighton guy, how do you know yer breath is better when you don't use mouthwash?

[halitosisux]

Hi Brightonguy,
I still have a no-longterm-antibacterial-mouthwash policy. By pure chance I needed some new toothpaste and noticed the Aquafresh with Zinc at Tescos at half price so I bought it. To my surprise I found that areas which regularly smell when I floss my teeth no longer smelled at all, not even faintly. I bought the Listerine (with zinc chloride) mouthwash to compare it to this toothpaste and its nowhere near as effective.

Retardex is an antibacterial and gives the impression of being effective because it has similar odour neutralizing properties as bleach. For most people its effective to begin with, but that soon wears off.

Zinc has a neutralizing effect but also inhibits the production of VSCs without disturbing the microbial balance.
And although Triclosan is an antibacterial and a bacterial inhibitor, I dont think it's effect wears off.

[brightonguy]

@ hal, I'm going to buy that exact toothpaste and give it a shot!

@ hope, I'm one of those people that can smell my own BB hence how I figured it out. Aydinmur's experiments with various mouthwashes including Retardex showed that they all increased BB by 25% (in VSC terms) with the exception of a zinc containing product. I used a therabreath mouthwash for a while containing zinc, can't say that helped me at all. I also tried therabreath gum containing zinc and that definitely made my breath worse. All gum I've ever tried just makes it worse for me.

[bbuk]

Why is retardex a specialised product yet makes the condition it is suppose to help worse?

I have always felt my bb was worse using retardex mouthwash and toothpaste but kept on using them because I thought it must help my bb even though my mouth felt less fresh.

After a while I just couldnt continue with retardex due the feeling it gave me.

Am now trying the Aqua fresh and initial thoughts are that it is a good toothpaste. It however, doesnt appear to be the magic bullet that we all are seeking though as I still dont feel 100% fresh all the time (unlike 2 yrs ago pre bb era) even despite my significant improvement following my recent metronidazole treatment.

[aydinmur]

Arm and Hammer Baking Soda with Calcium
Colgate Maxfresh beads and strips
Colgate Total
Colgate oxygen (anyone know if this is oxygenating toothpaste)
Corsodyl toothpaste

Retardex (seems to make my bb worse)
Dr Katz toothpaste
Tung Zinc tongue gel

I prefer Tung Zinc tongue gel. Best of bad.

A good halitosis rinse should contain:
1- Zinc compound
2- Antiseptic (cetylpyridinium chloride, chlorhexidine, Benzalconiumchlorid, Dequanilium chloride, Hydrogen peroxide etc)


A good halitosis rinse should NOT contain:
1- alcohools,
2- anti inflamatuar (benzidamin HCl)
3- SLS (sodium Lauryl Sulphate)
4- Sodium hydroxyde
5- Flavor, saccharin or any sweetener
6- Menthol, Aspartame, Xylitol, Sorbitol, Lecithine, any carbonate
Unfortunately and surprisingly, many halitosis rinse contain above chemical compounds even they also contain zinc compund.
- Murat

[chubbygirl]

dr. aydinmur, how about stabilized chlorine dioxide?

also, are there any adverse reactions if i use baking soda, hydrogen peroxide, and a stabilized chlorine dioxide mouthrinse all on the same day?

and if mouthrinses should not contain sorbitol/xylitol/sweeteners, does that also hold true for chewing gums? there are a lot of sugar free "breath freshening" gums in the market, but they all contain xylitol, sorbitol, or some other form of artifiicial sweetener. is that bad?

thanks and looking forward to your response

[aydinmur]

dr. aydinmur, how about stabilized chlorine dioxide?

Personally I support the idea that any chemical can be used in mouth to supress odorigenic bacteria. But for a limited time (< ~1week).

also, are there any adverse reactions if i use baking soda, hydrogen peroxide, and a stabilized chlorine dioxide mouthrinse all on the same day?

Few weeks ago We have extensively discussed hydrogen peroxide (hp) on this forum. I have explained why hp should not be used for long term (~days) /over dose (>3%) despite it inhibits halitosis. Soda, saline, probiotics and many herbal additions seem more friendly than others. Most of them have negliable adverse effect.

and if mouthrinses should not contain sorbitol/xylitol/sweeteners, does that also hold true for chewing gums? there are a lot of sugar free "breath freshening" gums in the market, but they all contain xylitol, sorbitol, or some other form of artifiicial sweetener. is that bad?

Gums contain thiosulphit or similar sulfide chains that gives elasticity for chewing. Bacteria cut the polymer into sulphur containing short molecules that may have bad odor. But only zinc containing gums are capable to block free sulfide chains in mouth.

Sweeteners are a hydrocarbon. These type of molecules are easy converted to short volatile molecules or aromatic acides , all have odor but appear lately. I dont advice sweeteners in any rinse, gum, sprey, paste or any thing if its used for halitosis.
- Murat