Murat Aydin

[Jimi Stein]

in my strong opinion, it is stupid to even talk about halitophobia because most of the people here have been told they imagine they have bad breath on a few occasions. It just creates CONFUSION in people's life because if they are suddenly isolated from people because of bad breath and then some idiot doctor say they imagine they have bad breath, the poor person can start looking for other reasons why all his friends disappeared and can have a negative effect on the individual psyche.

So I am really annoyed with this ongoing discussion about halitophobia. I was also told by doctors they don't smell anything and people confirmed I have it....so it is bullshit.....doctors are clueless about what to do and they cant help so they always go for halitophobia things and even direct patients to shrinks....

even moron Katz measured me and found high level of sulphur and then said to me it is not that bad and tried to push the whole situation under the rug.....

doctors are paid too much...when a doctor lies to a person he should be stripped of his licence for ever....

[Albertus41]

I totally agree with you. One halitophobic is the same as one hypochondriac, in both cases, there aren't external marks. In the case of the hypochondriac, any doctor will never find her/his sickness because he/she isn't sick. In the case of the halitophobic Nobody will put him/her down because he doesn't stink. It's as easy as that!
When you have bb and other persons notice it, they act in several ways such as coughing, touching her/his nose, being nervous, etc. His/her face changes, it is more serious and even annoying. But for a doctor, these marks aren't conclusive because are subject to the personal interpretation of each person.
I have bb since I was at 20 years, hundreds of people have perceived it and none of them told me directly. For me, the main test of my bb is that nobody wants to be near me.
This is terrible because not only do you have to bear your bb every day, but also some doctors tell you that you don't have bb and that everything is in your head.
And to those who say that people who suffer bb are usually timid persons or even mentally weak, I want to tell them that I was an outgoing boy and had a lot of friends, and I had a hunger to conquer the world, but this sickness changed my life for years.
And of course, I don't believe that one trauma of my infancy and my unconscious are the cause of my bb because this is caused for bacteria. For that reason, all people have bb when they wake up in the morning. It's that simple.

[Jimi Stein]

halitophobia is the easiest solution for doctors so they can charge you and write you off cause they know they can't help you.....so it ****ing riles me up when I hear about halitophobia....if people are halitophobic and it is true, maybe a small percent...I don't care about them...let them live with it....but this ongoing halitophobia that every bad breath specialist tries to sell is is just bullshit....

[telpar]

Dear Mr. Murat,
I have a question for you. I would be really grateful if you could answer

In my case, I suppose the reason for my bad breath is just a combination of a hairy tongue and a particular oral microbiota.
I was visited by a clinician in an important university. He is the director of the oral pathology department. He told me my tongue was hairy and white, but not pathological. He also prescribed many medical tests (metabolic, helycobacter pylori, ENT examination, CT of the neck, skull, maxillofacial, etc.).
He told me I'm fine. I have no pathology. He told me that I could take some anxiolytic and that my bad breath was a psychosomatic symptom.
But he didn't smell my breath because of the pandemic.

However I think the doctor was right.
I don't have a pathology. My breath has its own physiological smell.
The problem is that the physiological smell of my breath stinks.
And it is the same problem as all the people who have posted in this forum.
The point is: if I don't scratch my tongue, my bad breath gets worse. If I scratch it (I do it many times a day), my breath is less bad but still very bad.
So my question is: is it possible that I have a tongue colonized by bacteria that originate bad breath due to a particular oral microbiota of the tongue?
If the answer is yes, what is the solution? If there is, of course.
How would you treat him?

[aydinmur]

Dear Telpar
Many thanks for your questions

- There is not psychosomatic halitosis. Phobia, obsession and delusion only.

- Hairy tongue simply causes type 1 halitosis. No need anxiolytic nor deep medical analysis.

- I have never smelt any patient to diagnose. It is so primitive method.

- To scrape the tongue does not very useful, moreover its harmful. Brush only.

- Do not focus on bacteria but focus dirty tongue.

[telpar]

Dear Mr Murat,
thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate your courtesy.
I brush and clean my tongue but can't clean it completely. There is no patina but still my tongue is hairy and generates a bad smell.

You suggested I focus on the dirty tongue. What did you mean?

Do you think there may be a reservoir of bacteria in my mouth that colonize my tongue?

Could I maybe show you my recent orthopanoramic x-ray?

What would you suggest me to do?

Forgive me if I take advantage of your courtesy but I have been visited by many
doctors and nobody can help me.
Nobody knows the problem, they don't study it, they don't have equipment. Doctors lack preparation on this issue.

[aydinmur]

You suggested I focus on the dirty tongue. What did you mean?

Think the tongue as macro level. But not microbial level. Because every bacteria, can produce odorus gases at any time. We do not need information which bacteria have produced which odorus gases on tongue surface.

Do you think there may be a reservoir of bacteria in my mouth that colonize my tongue?

They are present at everywhere. We can not escape from them we can not kill them. We should live together with them.

Could I maybe show you my recent orthopanoramic x-ray?

Very good clean your tongue and send us a tongue picture. No need radiologic evidence for hairy tongue odor.

What would you suggest me to do?

I dont know your specific situation. I have no idea.

Forgive me if I take advantage of your courtesy but I have been visited by many doctors and nobody can help me. Nobody knows the problem, they don't study it, they don't have equipment. Doctors lack preparation on this issue.

Yes. you got it perfectly correct.
Most of us still thinks halitosis comes from periodontium, bacteria, stomach, Helicobacter pylori, Candida albicans. Once measures only sulfur family gas to diagnose.

- Murat Aydın

[Emanuela hoxha]

Hello doctor , i want to know do you have a clinic where we can see you and get a medical visit ?And do you find only the case of bb or you have also different types of cures? Thank you

[aydinmur]

hello doctor , i want to know do you have a clinic where we can see you and get a medical visit ?And do you find only the case of bb or you have also different types of cures? Thank you

Dear Emanuela thanks for the question.
No, I do not examine patients due to covid disease.
- Murat Aydın

[Emanuela hoxha]

Thanks for the answer , and when are you planning to start , is soon ? Best regards

[aydinmur]

Thanks for the answer , and when are you planning to start , is soon ? Best regards

Dear Emanuela thanks for your interest I dont think begin patient examination in a short time, except emergency cases.
-Murat Aydin

[telpar]

Dear Dr. Murat,
what about the ingrendients of this mouthwash alcohol free?
Could it be helpful for halitosys tipe 1?
https://www.listerineprofessional.ca/pr ... -care-zero


Active ingredientes
Eucalyptol 0.091%, Menthol 0.042%, Thymol 0.063%, Sodium Fluoride 0.022% w/v , Zinc Chloride 0.09% w/v
Inactive Ingredients
Aroma (flavor), Benzoic Acid, Blue 1, Methyl Salicylate, Poloxamer 407, Propylene Gly-col, Red 1, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Saccharin, Sorbitol, Su-cralose, Water (eau).

[AlphaB]

Hi Dr Murat,

I know you specifically say that you do not attempt to cure halitosis, only to diagnose.. but I was hoping you could answer a couple of questions and alsp provide your opinion on this and other antimicrobial peptides?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25358509/

I understand that sometimes bad breath can be by dysbiosis or prevalence of certain types of harmful or biofilm/caries causing bacteria. I know there isn't much in-vivo evidence or research yet, but what is your opinion on peptides like this and if/how they offer any usefulness to patients with bad breath originating from bacteria with established biofilms on teeth and especially tongue?

Also do you know of anyone who has experimented with rinses using either Peptide IDR-1018 or similar antimicrobial peptides to attack biofilms and help eliminate bad breath originating from tongue coating?

Lastly, is a sensation of a burnt tongue common with patients who have a persistent, recurring white tongue coating? And if so, do you have any suggestions for reducing this symptom, other other tongue brushing which I do several times a day with an orabrush?

I have done oravital testing which checked for yeasts and did DNA analysis to check for several common types of odor and dental disease causing bacteria. I have used the prescribed antibiotic/antifungal rinses and followed up chlorhexadine as reccomended, but the coating on my tongue gets worse again immediately after the rinses and chlorhexadine seems to exacerbate it in the long run as well. Aside from the smell, the burnt feeling on the tongue is a major irritation to me and I'd be grateful if you could offer any suggestions!

Best regards

[aydinmur]

Dear Dr. Murat,
what about the ingrendients of this mouthwash alcohol free?
Could it be helpful for halitosys tipe 1? Active ingredientes
Eucalyptol 0.091%, Menthol 0.042%, Thymol 0.063%, Sodium Fluoride 0.022% w/v , Zinc Chloride 0.09% w/v Inactive Ingredients Aroma (flavor), Benzoic Acid, Blue 1, Methyl Salicylate, Poloxamer 407, Propylene Gly-col, Red 1, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Saccharin, Sorbitol, Su-cralose, Water (eau).

Eucalyptol, Menthol, Thymol, and Sorbitol is an alcohol. Makes halitosis.

I have studied and compared some mouthwashes including this mouthwash. See full text:
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _halitosis

[telpar]

Dear Dr. Murat,
what about the ingrendients of this mouthwash alcohol free?
Could it be helpful for halitosys tipe 1? Active ingredientes
Eucalyptol 0.091%, Menthol 0.042%, Thymol 0.063%, Sodium Fluoride 0.022% w/v , Zinc Chloride 0.09% w/v Inactive Ingredients Aroma (flavor), Benzoic Acid, Blue 1, Methyl Salicylate, Poloxamer 407, Propylene Gly-col, Red 1, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Saccharin, Sorbitol, Su-cralose, Water (eau).

Eucalyptol, Menthol, Thymol, and Sorbitol is an alcohol. Makes halitosis.

I have studied and compared some mouthwashes including this mouthwash. See full text:
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _halitosis

Dr Murat, thanky you.
I'm going to read your paper.

It's so hard for us consumer to choose the right product. It requires specificals knowledge, that we can't have.
Nobody takes care of us. Nor the industry, nor the dentists, nor the consumer associations.
We are alone.

Friend of this forum, we are very very fortunate having among us Dr. Murat.