Four year olds eat mostly the same foods as an adult who eats a healthy diet. Their shit should be the same as mature adult shit. If it's your own child and you know their health history is good, then theirs will be as perfect as any donor could be.
I would definitely not recommend allowing shit to enter the stomach, but the other end would be safer.
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Going into the colon, will the bacteria get anywhere past the large intestine? From the stomach it will make the whole trip. I'd worry going from the anus, you wouldn't get it into the right places.halitosisux wrote: I would definitely not recommend allowing shit to enter the stomach, but the other end would be safer.
I'm sure if this wasn't taboo, this kind of thing would be a thing health physicians would recommend every 10 years, or after intense antibiotic usage.
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Yes, the tabboo side probably has a lot to do with it.
As far as I know, the bacteria that live in the small intestine are different to those in the large and the colon etc. It's not even supposed to smell bad in the small intestine. Food only really begins to get seriously broken down in the large intestine, which is why it smells in there. So, in answer to your question, it's not desirable to introduce colon bacteria into the small intestine. They probably won't colonize in there anyway, which is why they aren't in there in the first place, under normal cirumstances, unless something is wrong. So, even if you place bacteria into your butt, it will eventually spread out into the rest of your colon and the areas where it's supposed to colonize. The means to do this effectively are probably beyond the DIY methods, it probably needs liquifying and spreading around properly. But who knows.
It's only now that such desperate and potentially fatal diseases like c. difficile overgrowth and colon disease that these things are being experimented with, and the associated risks accepted. Doing it yourself is frought with risks. People are bound to eventually get parasitic infections, helicobacter, hepatitis etc from donors they thought were safe. That's why it's discouraged, obviously.
But all in all, it just makes you wonder how the hell these things aren't already fully known about. We're having to discuss it as though we're theorists discussing some astronomical ideas on the other side of the universe. This is supposedly the modern age of science and medical breakthroughs and we don't have the answers to something as potentially important as this. If they found martian turd I'm sure we'd soon know more about that than our own turds over here.
If we knew this could work I can't imagine anyone giving a "shit" what the risks are. But we don't know. WHY is that???
Why are we always so alone in trying to figure this "shit" out? where are all the rich people of this world. Don't they get diseases? Don't they get incurable bowel problems and so try to help to fund research into ideas like this that show so much promise. My God it's like a force, an evil force that wants the curse of BB to remain in place. It's like people with BB live in the land of the living dead, detached from the living.
As far as I know, the bacteria that live in the small intestine are different to those in the large and the colon etc. It's not even supposed to smell bad in the small intestine. Food only really begins to get seriously broken down in the large intestine, which is why it smells in there. So, in answer to your question, it's not desirable to introduce colon bacteria into the small intestine. They probably won't colonize in there anyway, which is why they aren't in there in the first place, under normal cirumstances, unless something is wrong. So, even if you place bacteria into your butt, it will eventually spread out into the rest of your colon and the areas where it's supposed to colonize. The means to do this effectively are probably beyond the DIY methods, it probably needs liquifying and spreading around properly. But who knows.
It's only now that such desperate and potentially fatal diseases like c. difficile overgrowth and colon disease that these things are being experimented with, and the associated risks accepted. Doing it yourself is frought with risks. People are bound to eventually get parasitic infections, helicobacter, hepatitis etc from donors they thought were safe. That's why it's discouraged, obviously.
But all in all, it just makes you wonder how the hell these things aren't already fully known about. We're having to discuss it as though we're theorists discussing some astronomical ideas on the other side of the universe. This is supposedly the modern age of science and medical breakthroughs and we don't have the answers to something as potentially important as this. If they found martian turd I'm sure we'd soon know more about that than our own turds over here.
If we knew this could work I can't imagine anyone giving a "shit" what the risks are. But we don't know. WHY is that???
Why are we always so alone in trying to figure this "shit" out? where are all the rich people of this world. Don't they get diseases? Don't they get incurable bowel problems and so try to help to fund research into ideas like this that show so much promise. My God it's like a force, an evil force that wants the curse of BB to remain in place. It's like people with BB live in the land of the living dead, detached from the living.
I sure feel like a living ****ing dead..
My assistant teacher today.. The one who herself has extremely rancid, what I will assume is a bad case of tonsil stone breath or perhaps a wisdom tooth issue, that kind of smell, she was covering her nose with her fingers every time I spoke near her.
And she was even wearing a ****ing flu mask because she was sick.. and this was still a problem? COME ON.. To me, all I can tell is that my mouth smells fresh.. I can waft air from my mouth into my noise and smell the mints I had my in mouth earlier. Sure, my throat is mucus-y.. it always is.. PND and that ****ing shit. Why Can't I smell that. Where is the ****ing smell coming from.
I DON"T UNDERSTAND AND IT'S DRIVING ME INSANE.
I have been getting along extremely well with a girl from my home area. We've known of each other for a year or so before I left the US, but we never had close contact. Now, over the internet, we started talking quite a bit and get along so well.. We have so much fun talking and playing games online. We chat constantly. I've been helping her and giving her advice about what she should do when she graduates soon, and on all sorts of matters. And I can tell, she really values my opinion. We're quite a bit alike.
My father and my family would like to see me visit home in the US this holiday.. I haven't been home in 2 and a half years, and this girl, she really wants me to come home too, and spend her birthday with her, during my vacation. She wants to hang out. She thinks we would have so much fun together, and I know we could.... but.... but I can't. I just can't with BB.. This budding relationship would be crushed... sdjk.HGSRJK>HfsdjkfhJKsd God, I hate my ****ing life. I hate it so much and I just want to die. AUUghh,.
She has even decided now that she wants to come and teach English, like me, before probably going on to graduate school... and she wants to come to my area so we can do it together..
It would ****ing end me...
I have never wanted a cure as bad as I do now... and I know we all feel that way for each successive day we live.
I am ready to eat shit. I would eat it every god damn day. I would do ANYTHING.
Is there no cure, not even the most ridiculous thing that can be done to stop this? I don't care if I have to balance on one foot while eating out a baby's asshole. I don't care if I'd have to sell my soul to some demon. I don't care if I had to lose all of my hair and eat it.
No matter how silly, or disgusting, or unthinkable it is. Just tell me a cure exists and it's something I can do now that will rid me of this impossible disease.
I think if we all got together in a group and threatened to kill ourselves on the spot, some government or organization might agree to help us, at least thoroughly examine us and perhaps research a cure.
My assistant teacher today.. The one who herself has extremely rancid, what I will assume is a bad case of tonsil stone breath or perhaps a wisdom tooth issue, that kind of smell, she was covering her nose with her fingers every time I spoke near her.
And she was even wearing a ****ing flu mask because she was sick.. and this was still a problem? COME ON.. To me, all I can tell is that my mouth smells fresh.. I can waft air from my mouth into my noise and smell the mints I had my in mouth earlier. Sure, my throat is mucus-y.. it always is.. PND and that ****ing shit. Why Can't I smell that. Where is the ****ing smell coming from.
I DON"T UNDERSTAND AND IT'S DRIVING ME INSANE.
I have been getting along extremely well with a girl from my home area. We've known of each other for a year or so before I left the US, but we never had close contact. Now, over the internet, we started talking quite a bit and get along so well.. We have so much fun talking and playing games online. We chat constantly. I've been helping her and giving her advice about what she should do when she graduates soon, and on all sorts of matters. And I can tell, she really values my opinion. We're quite a bit alike.
My father and my family would like to see me visit home in the US this holiday.. I haven't been home in 2 and a half years, and this girl, she really wants me to come home too, and spend her birthday with her, during my vacation. She wants to hang out. She thinks we would have so much fun together, and I know we could.... but.... but I can't. I just can't with BB.. This budding relationship would be crushed... sdjk.HGSRJK>HfsdjkfhJKsd God, I hate my ****ing life. I hate it so much and I just want to die. AUUghh,.
She has even decided now that she wants to come and teach English, like me, before probably going on to graduate school... and she wants to come to my area so we can do it together..
It would ****ing end me...
I have never wanted a cure as bad as I do now... and I know we all feel that way for each successive day we live.
I am ready to eat shit. I would eat it every god damn day. I would do ANYTHING.
Is there no cure, not even the most ridiculous thing that can be done to stop this? I don't care if I have to balance on one foot while eating out a baby's asshole. I don't care if I'd have to sell my soul to some demon. I don't care if I had to lose all of my hair and eat it.
No matter how silly, or disgusting, or unthinkable it is. Just tell me a cure exists and it's something I can do now that will rid me of this impossible disease.
I think if we all got together in a group and threatened to kill ourselves on the spot, some government or organization might agree to help us, at least thoroughly examine us and perhaps research a cure.
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Mike, could your assistant's actions be because she's aware of having BB herself and perhaps trying to prevent you (and others) from smelling it?
I have to be honest with you, I laughed so much reading your post that my stomach is hurting. I could just sit here reading posts like this all day. I don't mean that in a cruel or smug way, I just mean I can relate to all the pain you feel, the frustration, the cruelty, and the whole craziness of it all. I hope I don't offend you or anyone else by saying that.
I don't think I've ever laughed so much in my whole life than reading about some of the things Jimi has said about Dr. Katz and Mel. We're the only people in the world who can understand what each other goes through. It's a kinda relief to read each other's plight.
I have to be honest with you, I laughed so much reading your post that my stomach is hurting. I could just sit here reading posts like this all day. I don't mean that in a cruel or smug way, I just mean I can relate to all the pain you feel, the frustration, the cruelty, and the whole craziness of it all. I hope I don't offend you or anyone else by saying that.
I don't think I've ever laughed so much in my whole life than reading about some of the things Jimi has said about Dr. Katz and Mel. We're the only people in the world who can understand what each other goes through. It's a kinda relief to read each other's plight.
Mike . I know what you mean man . I swear, sometimes it seems so much easier to be reclusive and bypass the advent of social self torture bb seems to cause .
I must say though , if we are desperate and willing to do anything , why is divulging our plight often out of the question ? Telling your friend sort of what you are dealing with , just on a medical basis maybe . Are you sure she hasn't smelled you when you were home before ? You feel its gotten stronger over the years or just your fear of rejection due to bb ?
I must say though , if we are desperate and willing to do anything , why is divulging our plight often out of the question ? Telling your friend sort of what you are dealing with , just on a medical basis maybe . Are you sure she hasn't smelled you when you were home before ? You feel its gotten stronger over the years or just your fear of rejection due to bb ?
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By the way, I'd just like to add to my previous post, that the reason why it's therapeutic and a "relief" to me to read similar experiences is mostly because until I found this site, I honestly thought I was the only person in the world who suffers because of BB.
What I mean is, I know there are millions of people who know they have BB. But I never knew that other people existed who were actually bothered about it to the extent I was. It has to be because of my childhood experiences of being tortured about it.
Wherever I look I see people talking into each other's faces, or kissing, or cuddling or whatever. But NOT ONE seems to be even remotely concerned about their breath. I thought I was abnormal. But since finding this website I've realized my behaviour wasn't abnormal AT ALL. I just have certain characteristics that predisposed me to have such a terrible time with having BB.
Even on television, or on the news etc, I've never seen anyone shy away from talking into another person's face. I can only guess that people with my characteristics with BB must be hiding away like I always tried to be.
What I mean is, I know there are millions of people who know they have BB. But I never knew that other people existed who were actually bothered about it to the extent I was. It has to be because of my childhood experiences of being tortured about it.
Wherever I look I see people talking into each other's faces, or kissing, or cuddling or whatever. But NOT ONE seems to be even remotely concerned about their breath. I thought I was abnormal. But since finding this website I've realized my behaviour wasn't abnormal AT ALL. I just have certain characteristics that predisposed me to have such a terrible time with having BB.
Even on television, or on the news etc, I've never seen anyone shy away from talking into another person's face. I can only guess that people with my characteristics with BB must be hiding away like I always tried to be.
No, I understand what you mean, I'm not offended.
My assistant; She doesn't seem to act like she knows her breath is very bad. I'm not sure she's caught on. Anyway, her fingers, on her mask, just when I was speaking, not her, were right on her nostrils. Two fingers, pressed up on the mask where her nostrils would be.
And when she did that.. and when people do that kind of thing.. I completely lose focus. I can barely finish my thought and I just look away and sort of trail off, trying to assemble some words that can end the sentence. It obliterates all normal thinking and communication becomes grunts and noises. I found myself even closing my eyes and sighing with a disappointed feeling in my face.
I want cured. I Need cured.
My friend who I often complained about stomach and digestive problems with, and other symptoms, I guess trying to get the message across.. She mentioned Diatomaceous Earth... I once told her when upset.. in a text box in gmail, that I couldn't take it anymore.. the bad breath.. and she of course acted like she never noticed, though when with her, we brushed our teeth after every single time we ate anything, and she was always giving me gum. Before recommending this, she was the one who pointed out the fecal transplant article I posted, and recently asked me if I took care of my problem.. Well anyway, this Diatomaceous Earth just sounds like another BS product, and is hella expensive to order here.. Around 100 US dollars. Amazon won't ship from the US, the same item, a 20 dollar three pound bag.
Long story short, this stupid thing is on my list of, to do..
I've been thinking a lot about mucus lately.. It's just, always there. It;s in my nose, in my throat, feels like it's in my lungs. If the adenoids are partly responsible for triggering it, having them cut out could do wonders for BB.
I was thinking, part of the reason my semen even shows signs of a heavy protein diet.. Is probably because of all the protein rich mucus running down my throat. It's a nonstop thing.. It would explain the symptoms of a protein rich diet.
The shit thing would be if my issue is bacterial.. I would love to have some of those fresh breath bacteria in me.. I would scream in joy.. i would dance and dance and sing and be sooo happy. I would hold and touch friends and strangers in conversation and just be soo filled with happiness.. I can almost imagine, doing the things you say you saw in other people. Being so close, friendly, palling around. Anyway, that's the idea behind that.
- H. Pylori self test kit - Second test because I feel I meet the symptoms of h.pylori, and I do get reflux and have recently been recognizing heartburn.. I also don't trust the Japanese clinics.
- Diatomaceous Earth - For defeating parasites.. Apparently it works great for livestock and pets.
- See if I can get the doctor who took out my tonsils to take out my adenoids - The mucus could be the result of reflux, or just allergies.. But I curse the day that doc told me, after I woke up from the surgery, that he didn't take out the adenoids because they looked fine.. Guh... Super regretful.
- Getting a healthy someone's shit into my digestive tract someway, somehow. The procedure seems out of the question because of the cost and the rarity of it.. I'm up for the homemade version. i don't care about dangers. I had been blasted with antibiotics at a very young age for many years. A whole new recolonization might do wonders for things such as allergies too.. My only concern is that it might be a waste if I don't do a heavy antibiotic before use, as described in the clinical procedure, and then let fresh, healthy shit take over.
The easy thing will be eating the diatomaceous earth.. everything else troubles me already... I'm ready to be cured NOW. Not tomorrow. Not in another 7 years... I can't stand this social and mental abuse.
If anyone is in Japan, please. Visit me.
My assistant; She doesn't seem to act like she knows her breath is very bad. I'm not sure she's caught on. Anyway, her fingers, on her mask, just when I was speaking, not her, were right on her nostrils. Two fingers, pressed up on the mask where her nostrils would be.
And when she did that.. and when people do that kind of thing.. I completely lose focus. I can barely finish my thought and I just look away and sort of trail off, trying to assemble some words that can end the sentence. It obliterates all normal thinking and communication becomes grunts and noises. I found myself even closing my eyes and sighing with a disappointed feeling in my face.
I want cured. I Need cured.
My friend who I often complained about stomach and digestive problems with, and other symptoms, I guess trying to get the message across.. She mentioned Diatomaceous Earth... I once told her when upset.. in a text box in gmail, that I couldn't take it anymore.. the bad breath.. and she of course acted like she never noticed, though when with her, we brushed our teeth after every single time we ate anything, and she was always giving me gum. Before recommending this, she was the one who pointed out the fecal transplant article I posted, and recently asked me if I took care of my problem.. Well anyway, this Diatomaceous Earth just sounds like another BS product, and is hella expensive to order here.. Around 100 US dollars. Amazon won't ship from the US, the same item, a 20 dollar three pound bag.
Long story short, this stupid thing is on my list of, to do..
I've been thinking a lot about mucus lately.. It's just, always there. It;s in my nose, in my throat, feels like it's in my lungs. If the adenoids are partly responsible for triggering it, having them cut out could do wonders for BB.
I was thinking, part of the reason my semen even shows signs of a heavy protein diet.. Is probably because of all the protein rich mucus running down my throat. It's a nonstop thing.. It would explain the symptoms of a protein rich diet.
The shit thing would be if my issue is bacterial.. I would love to have some of those fresh breath bacteria in me.. I would scream in joy.. i would dance and dance and sing and be sooo happy. I would hold and touch friends and strangers in conversation and just be soo filled with happiness.. I can almost imagine, doing the things you say you saw in other people. Being so close, friendly, palling around. Anyway, that's the idea behind that.
- H. Pylori self test kit - Second test because I feel I meet the symptoms of h.pylori, and I do get reflux and have recently been recognizing heartburn.. I also don't trust the Japanese clinics.
- Diatomaceous Earth - For defeating parasites.. Apparently it works great for livestock and pets.
- See if I can get the doctor who took out my tonsils to take out my adenoids - The mucus could be the result of reflux, or just allergies.. But I curse the day that doc told me, after I woke up from the surgery, that he didn't take out the adenoids because they looked fine.. Guh... Super regretful.
- Getting a healthy someone's shit into my digestive tract someway, somehow. The procedure seems out of the question because of the cost and the rarity of it.. I'm up for the homemade version. i don't care about dangers. I had been blasted with antibiotics at a very young age for many years. A whole new recolonization might do wonders for things such as allergies too.. My only concern is that it might be a waste if I don't do a heavy antibiotic before use, as described in the clinical procedure, and then let fresh, healthy shit take over.
The easy thing will be eating the diatomaceous earth.. everything else troubles me already... I'm ready to be cured NOW. Not tomorrow. Not in another 7 years... I can't stand this social and mental abuse.
If anyone is in Japan, please. Visit me.
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Mike, seriously, so many of your questions could be answered by someone like Dr. Aydinmur if you could get yourself over to see him.
YEARS of trying to figure certain things out for yourself could be quickly answered by someone with the expertise and equipment he would have. He's not like other people who just want to use their "expertise" to convince you that you need to buy useless junk. We've seen he's a true genuine person who has devoted himself to helping people in Turkey to figure out what's causing their BB.
I know you already know this. But reading your posts it sounds like you've done so much already and there's too much to try to do by yourself. I don't want to sound patronizing about it, but I just can't sit here and not say what I feel. Even if he could just use his diagnostic methods to determine where the odour is coming from, there'll be no more mystery or trying to guess where to be focusing your energies.
About masks, I hate wearing masks. I wear them when I'm vacuuming or dusting or changing beds etc because I have chronic allergic rhinitis. I'm alleric to dust. I'm almost constantly fidgeting with the mask because of the way it wraps itself over my nose and it drives me nuts. The reason for her wearing a mask in the first place or why she fidgets with it, could be for for completely irrational reasons and impossible to know whether it's got anything to do with your breath.
YEARS of trying to figure certain things out for yourself could be quickly answered by someone with the expertise and equipment he would have. He's not like other people who just want to use their "expertise" to convince you that you need to buy useless junk. We've seen he's a true genuine person who has devoted himself to helping people in Turkey to figure out what's causing their BB.
I know you already know this. But reading your posts it sounds like you've done so much already and there's too much to try to do by yourself. I don't want to sound patronizing about it, but I just can't sit here and not say what I feel. Even if he could just use his diagnostic methods to determine where the odour is coming from, there'll be no more mystery or trying to guess where to be focusing your energies.
About masks, I hate wearing masks. I wear them when I'm vacuuming or dusting or changing beds etc because I have chronic allergic rhinitis. I'm alleric to dust. I'm almost constantly fidgeting with the mask because of the way it wraps itself over my nose and it drives me nuts. The reason for her wearing a mask in the first place or why she fidgets with it, could be for for completely irrational reasons and impossible to know whether it's got anything to do with your breath.
I don't see going to Turkey as a real possibility. But I know what you mean. Are there not any other doctors in the world as eager to cure people?
What if we pooled our money together and got him a world trip plane ticket? Hah, I don't know...
She was wearing a mask because she was sick. I just was stricken by bad feelings when even with the mask on, she placed her two fingers on where her nostrils are under the mask, when I spoke to her up close.
What if we pooled our money together and got him a world trip plane ticket? Hah, I don't know...
She was wearing a mask because she was sick. I just was stricken by bad feelings when even with the mask on, she placed her two fingers on where her nostrils are under the mask, when I spoke to her up close.
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The only breath specialists i've ever heard about at the ones who use halimeters as a sales tool.
From what we've seen, Dr. Aydinmur tries to find out any underlying causes, not just dental, but for every type and cause of bad breath. He has lots of different diagnostic methods which he's developed. He's an expert in halitosis and is a dentist and microbiologist.
Dunno about pooling money together to send him anywhere, but we could do it to send you to him!
From what we've seen, Dr. Aydinmur tries to find out any underlying causes, not just dental, but for every type and cause of bad breath. He has lots of different diagnostic methods which he's developed. He's an expert in halitosis and is a dentist and microbiologist.
Dunno about pooling money together to send him anywhere, but we could do it to send you to him!
He sounds like a great doc. Has anyone ever seen him?
Thanks for the kind thought, but I have absolutely no extra money now.. It just wouldn't be possible.
I still have shit I can do (eat) here.. haha.
Just did my H. Pylori home test kit. The test instructions weren't well explained, but apparently I get a negative.
I had a blood test once before at a clinic, also was negative.
So.. I guess I don't have H. Pylori then... Buhh...
Then what is responsible for my single hiccups, empty burp feeling.. food coming back up. Sour taste in mouth, fart breath,. etc..
*Sigh*](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif "Brick wall")
I'm still certain that wherever the source is, my digestion is fucked up. I had been putting an egg a day or two back into my diet, looking for cheap ways to eat while also keeping weight on, along with an all granola/fruit cereal I had been adding to my yogurt, and my shit is just a mess. I thought it was pretty lousy on a virtually all veggie diet.. Putting these other things in, it's absolute slop. Like a weak, watered down sloppy joes.
Could this kind of lousy digestion be caused by lots of PND? Would mucus have that effect?
Because the mucus is something that's always been pretty constant..
Thanks for the kind thought, but I have absolutely no extra money now.. It just wouldn't be possible.
I still have shit I can do (eat) here.. haha.
Just did my H. Pylori home test kit. The test instructions weren't well explained, but apparently I get a negative.
I had a blood test once before at a clinic, also was negative.
So.. I guess I don't have H. Pylori then... Buhh...
Then what is responsible for my single hiccups, empty burp feeling.. food coming back up. Sour taste in mouth, fart breath,. etc..
*Sigh*
I'm still certain that wherever the source is, my digestion is fucked up. I had been putting an egg a day or two back into my diet, looking for cheap ways to eat while also keeping weight on, along with an all granola/fruit cereal I had been adding to my yogurt, and my shit is just a mess. I thought it was pretty lousy on a virtually all veggie diet.. Putting these other things in, it's absolute slop. Like a weak, watered down sloppy joes.
Could this kind of lousy digestion be caused by lots of PND? Would mucus have that effect?
Because the mucus is something that's always been pretty constant..
