How I Got Cured of a 10 Year Chronic Bad Breath

[the_winter_soldier]

I will try to keep it as short as possible but keep in mind i've been trying to fight this for the better part of decade. I will write a TLDR at the end for those who just want to skip to the solution, although i recommend reading the whole thing since you might be making the same mistakes i did.

What kind of halitosis did i have?

It evolved over the decade, it started as a normal bad smell only while speaking, a year or so later that morphed into the smell coming through my nose, 3 or 4 years ago i started to reek of the smell, it felt as if the smell was a cloud following me, people who pass by me cough or clear their throat, people sitting next to me would gradually start getting uncomfortable, touching their nose, taking a deep breath, letting a massive sighs.

Was it room filling?

It wasn't room filling but there was an incident where my teammate complained 'the air was thick' and opened the windows in the office, so i suspect the smell escapes through my nose bit by bit and change the air quality although not enough to make it room filling.

What i tried with no success?

First thing is of course start brushing after dinner as well, i only used to brush in the morning and also start tongue scrapping, also went to the dentist for cleaning, nothing worked, in fact bb was getting worse, so i went to multiple dentists with no help, went to a general practitioner to check for anything wrong with my organs, he refused to test me saying i don't have halitosis, he suggested me to buy breath sprays for god sakes. This are the protocols i tried the following years:

• * Went Sugar Free
  * Tonsillectomy
  * Coronectomy
  * Treating H. Pylori
  * Nasal Irrigation
  * 10 Day Water Fasting
  * S-Acytl Glutathione
  * HCL Betain
  * Celery Juice
  * Aloe Vera Juice
  * Cabbage Juice
  * Anti Fungals
  * Candida Supplements
  * Endoscopy no issues
  * Carnivore Diet

I've basically bought and tried all the supplements people mentioned on these forums, nothing helped, one day i reached my finger down my throat and picked one of my tonsil stones, once i smelled my finger i knew this was 100% the issue behind my halitosis. I went for a Tonsillectomy, I was really excited after my the surgery, i thought that was the end of the journey, low and behold i didn't know it was going to get worse for me. In fact the bad breath didn't even decrease a bit, reactions were the same as before. As i wrote above the smell actually got worse as the years passed by.

So what changed?

I realized all this time i'm shooting in the dark, just seeing people claim something is working for them with no proof and here i go buying the supplement and trying it on myself, even if that thing worked i will never have the relief of it not coming back again, we need a reliable method based on numbers to solve this so if in case we relapse, we know how to tackle it with confidence.

So i decided to stop buying or trying things without testing myself first, that's the best thing i can tell you, test yourself, even in math understanding the problem is 80% of the solution, 20% is just treatment.

By this point my teeth are white, no plaque, tongue is pink, no gum issues, tonsils are gone, so does the wisdom teeth, so there is no doubt in my mind that something is malfunctioning in my gut.

I started testing myself for all sorts of Gut issues, Candida, H.Pylori, Zonulin, Gluten Intolerance, Immune response etc... and fixing them one by one. That's how i got cured!

What did i test for?

Once i started testing myself i realized i have a couple of gut issues, but the only symptom i had was bloating after a meal so i never bothered with going to the doctor for that. I tested positive for H.Pylori despite me resolving it previously, High Zonlulin, mild Gluten Intolerance and my SigA levels were high, that means i have inflammation and leaky gut(i will be posting proof for everything below).

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After 6 months of following a treatment, everything was resolved except for my Zonulin levels which lowered but still not at the range i wanted it to be.

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Then i took the Genova GI Map in May 2024, this is where things got interesting, the result showed me i had 2 infections, few overgrowths of bacteria and Dysbiosis, one top of that my SigA levels are now too low(they were too high just 6 months ago).

Genova GI Map Result below

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I dug into the report and realized there are 4 possible bacteria overgrowth/infections that cause bad breath or produce bad odour, those were

• * Klebsiella spp. (4.52e5 vs normal of <5.00e3)
  * Citrobacter freundii (1.54e8 vs normal of <5.00e5)
  * Methanobacteriaceae (4.23e8 vs normal of <3.38e8)
  * C diff. (Toxin A was 5.40e5 vs normal of 1.00e3 and Toxin B was 5.14e5 vs normal of 1.00e3)

What was the cure?

The lab report came with a treatment plan, i was recommended Oregano, Allicin & Berberine for Klebsiella spp., Coenzym q10 for Citrobacter freundii, Ther-Biotic complete(probiotic) & Acacia fiber powder for Methanobacteriaceae & C diff, on top of these, Alpha lipolic acid, Multi complex( Multi vitamin +mineral) High dose Vitamin A, Vitamin C and Vitamin D were recommended to fix my immune respone (SigA levels).

At this time i've also fixed my diet and have been going to the gym 5 days per week so my daily capsules + diet routine was on point.

Proof i got cured?

I followed this treatment for 4 weeks, took a break for 2 weeks and got a retest, this time from another provider since Genova is a bit expensive, from medivere, unfortunately they messed up the sample during processing so they asked me to send another one, but after the 2 week break i already restarted the probiotic treatment again so that means i had to wait another 3 weeks to take the sample.

Start of May i took the Genova test -> end of May got the result -> June took the treatment -> 2 week break -> mid of July took the medivere test -> they made a mistake with my sample, sent me a free package -> 3 week break -> mid of August took 2nd medivere test -> got my result yesterday & lo and behold i'm so happy to share the result.

Medivere result
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As you can see in the result, 3 out of the 4(with exception of Methanobacteriaceae) are gone, the test doesn't check for Methanobacteriaceae, with those 3 fixed my bad breath is gone, i haven't had a single reaction for the past 8 weeks or so, I didn't want to declare a cure before seeing the numbers and having an idea of exactly what got eliminated inturn knowing what caused it.

I've been having small talks and chit chats with my coworkers and not a single pinch or reaction from anyone, dealing with cashiers, sitting next to people on the tram, all the scenarios that used to get me the reaction no longer do.

Another thing is my halitosis would get worse as my stomach empties, now even before having lunch i talk with my coworkers face to face and they don't react a bit, that's how i know i've eliminated the issue to it's core, no matter what improvements i used to get from other things i tried, i always knew me with empty stomach always results in an awful reactions, not anymore.

What about relapse?

It's been 2 months since i hadn't had a reaction and even if it comes back now i know what to do, just test, take treatment, confirmation with another test.

Also go dig through this forum, your problem might've been already discussed years ago, when i searched all these 3 bacterias they were already discussed and solved years ago, [look at this guy who cured his halitosis by eliminating C. diff](viewtopic.php?p=64614#p64614) just like i did now.

#Rant

There were times where i thought this humbling problem can't be fixed, you might be at my place right now but know it's only a matter of time before all of you get cured([this lady cured her 49 year halitosis](viewtopic.php?p=71084#p71084)), just stay strong and be methodical in your approach, try to remove the emotions when trying to solve this, one of the big things that helped me is isolating for a couple of days to recharge my willpower and go back out again. I should've been experiencing so many things in my 20s instead i spent it fighting my dragon breath.

SO PLEASE JUST STOP TAKING SUPPLEMENTS WITHOUT TESTING AND TRYING TO MASK THE PROBLEM, GO TEST, FOLLOW THE TREATMENT, RETEST AGAIN, THIS METHOD WILL ALSO GIVE YOU A PIECE OF MIND, KNOWING YOU ELIMINATED THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF THE SYMPTOM.

TLDR: I had Klebsiella spp., Citrobacter freundii, C diff. infections/overgrowth and took 4 week herbal antibiotic & probiotic treatment. I urge you to get serious and start testing instead of waiting for the magic supplement or buying every product that gets mentioned in these forums. I spent 9 years trying supplements with nothing to show for it. I ended up solving my issue not even a year into following a strict "test -> treat -> test" method.

[Sachijay]

Great to hear your success story and thanks for sharing.
May i know what dose you take Coenzym q10 per day?

[the_winter_soldier]

You're welcome, Ubiquinol 100mg, 2 capsules a day

[maxsnow1]

Happy to hear that you are finally free. I have been following your posts for quite a long now, I know the amount of work you have put in. You deserve it. All the best for the new chapter of your life!!

[the_winter_soldier]

Thank you

[guzler]

congratulation winter soldier , i have a question, how did you cure your h pylorie bacteria the second time , did you take antibiotic also can you share with us the dosage of all your suplements . your feed back wil be really apreciated in this matter .

[Jimi Stein]

so where did you get tests? germany? how expensive was it all?

[the_winter_soldier]

congratulation winter soldier , i have a question, how did you cure your h pylorie bacteria the second time , did you take antibiotic also can you share with us the dosage of all your suplements . your feed back wil be really apreciated in this matter .

Thank You, Yes i did, i used triple theraphy to get rid of it for the 2nd time, i followed it up with a 500mg mastic gum capsules daily but i'm sure that was unnecessary, after that i never got reinfected. I currently take H.Pylori tests on the regular, the tests are really cheap so i've got nothing to lose here.

About the dosage of all the supplements, the point of this post was to not take supplements you see on these forums without testing first, i really hope that's what people take away. what worked for me might not work for you, what if you have another infection or a different kind of treatment is needed for your case?

but here is the brand & dosage of what i took.

ADP - Oregano 50mg ( 2 x 2 )

Allimed - Allicin 450mg ( 1 x 2 )

Sunday - Berberine 500mg ( 2 x 3 )

Sunday - Vitamin D 20,000 IU ( 1 x 1 )

Vitortho - Vitamin A 4000 IE ( 1 x 1 )

Klair Lab - Vitamin C 1000 mg ( 1 x 1 )

SoriaBel - Coenzyme Q10 100mg ( 1 x 1 )

Klair Labs - Ther-Biotic complete ( 1 x 1 )

Acacia Fiber Powder ( 5g x 1 )

Gelatin Powder ( 5g x 1 )

VeraSupplements Kopervrije Multi voor Volwassenen ( 1 x 1 )

Now Foods - Saccharomyces Boulardii 500 mg ( 1 x 1 )

Klair Labs - Alpha Lipolic Acid 300mg ( 1 x 1 )

I was recommended to take it for 4 weeks and 2 weeks break, then test, if cured yay if not, continue with another 4 weeks and 2 weeks break, repeat. The lab didn’t recommend me any specific dosage and brand for oregano, allicin, berberine, vitamin d, acacia fiber powder and gelatine. Some of them I already had and some I bought the brands I trusted.

Also some of the vitamins/supps are recommended to me because the infections/imbalance i had can cause these deficiencies or are exasperated by lack of these deficiencies, that's why i say it's better to test yourself and get your own personal treatment plan.

[the_winter_soldier]

so where did you get tests? germany? how expensive was it all?

Yes Germany, the Genova test was 400 euros, the treatment plan was around 300 euros, for the retest i went with a cheaper option with medivere 170 euros so 870 in total, but now looking back i wish i didn't cheap out and just got the Genova test again since they have a very detailed result.

[Jimi Stein]

so where did you get tests? germany? how expensive was it all?

Yes Germany, the Genova test was 400 euros, the treatment plan was around 300 euros, for the retest i went with a cheaper option with medivere 170 euros so 870 in total, but now looking back i wish i didn't cheap out and just got the Genova test again since they have a very detailed result.

but what if the bb comes back? why did you have to retest? so you send urine and poop?

[the_winter_soldier]

You send poo, i've addressed it in the post already but i'm not worried about relapse since i know what to do know, no more taking random pills, test -> pinpoint the issue -> treat -> test, that's what i'm going to do if i relapse, but it's been almost 10 weeks and no relapse yet.

[Jimi Stein]

looks like just regular vitamins..... i send you pm

[guzler]

thank you so much for the information. i was asking incase we have the same bacteria infection then i will rely on the dosage ,
thanks again

[Halia]

Oh my goodness, that sounds exhausting! You must be so relieved to finally have found your cure.

So do you think that getting tonsils removed is not a solution even if there are tonsil stones?

[the_winter_soldier]

Oh my goodness, that sounds exhausting! You must be so relieved to finally have found your cure.

So do you think that getting tonsils removed is not a solution even if there are tonsil stones?

I honestly never heard a single person get cured from tonsillectomy, but it does help in the elimination process, just to have that peace of mind. My guess is that you can regularly clean you tonsils and see if bb improves, if it does then get the tonsiloctomy.