The last time I went out with a certain group of friends.... We went to a restaurant... I ordered the least offensive foods on the menu.. Plain things, like rice, potato. Though I did indulge in some steak with no seasoning or sauce. Anyway, my friend ordered some wine, which I probably drank half of.
Later, during karaoke, I had a very hurtful experience as the friend next to me, the girl I really cared for... Well she had quite a reaction. Guh.
Wine probably does make it intolerable. Meanwhile, sometimes if I'm drinking, I can get away with conversation (maybe drunk people often have their sense of smelled zapped by the booze)... My drink of choice is straight vodka, or vodka and orange juice.... Would anyone say that is one of the least offensive choices?
I will immediately change my preference to scotch if that's better on the breath.
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Phantasist
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I don't know about vodka, but orange juice is a definite no-no for me. I don't know if it's the acid or the sweetness, but it absolutely turns the microfloral ecology in my mouth into a swamp.
Libby,
In answer to your other question, yes I have been to ENT doctors, but as most members of this forum can tell you, doctors know nothing about bad breath.
Libby,
In answer to your other question, yes I have been to ENT doctors, but as most members of this forum can tell you, doctors know nothing about bad breath.
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Most types of spirits would help me too. Maybe it's the antibacterial action of the alcohol. Even though alcohol causes mouth dryness, I think that while you are sipping spirits, the antibacterial benefits outweigh any bad effects of mouth dryness. Smoking cigarettes and drinking vodka saved my life numerous times during unavoidable nightmares like weddings and birthdays.
So, I'm just curious.
What about coffee? We all know it gives 'coffee breath', but does it make chronic bad breath worse? .. Chronic BB that may be related to acid content of the stomach?
I just wonder, out of curiosity and innocent hope that something I don't ever drink might actually ease the symptoms.. I wonder because recently someone bought me a hot canned coffee, and consuming it for the first time since college, I felt as though it were some magic potion. I let my imagination have fun with that, but I do genuinely wonder about it, now.
I guess I'm thinking, if this could for some reason, change my crap breath to simply, bad coffee breath, I would start drinking it daily.
What about coffee? We all know it gives 'coffee breath', but does it make chronic bad breath worse? .. Chronic BB that may be related to acid content of the stomach?
I just wonder, out of curiosity and innocent hope that something I don't ever drink might actually ease the symptoms.. I wonder because recently someone bought me a hot canned coffee, and consuming it for the first time since college, I felt as though it were some magic potion. I let my imagination have fun with that, but I do genuinely wonder about it, now.
I guess I'm thinking, if this could for some reason, change my crap breath to simply, bad coffee breath, I would start drinking it daily.
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It's funny what balls alcohol and maybe some puffs of weed can give an individual. There have been numerous occasions where I got mighty drunk/high and walked up to a girl and spoke my lungs out, right in her face and despite the bb (trust me, alcohol doesn't erase or even lessen bb for a second), despite the slurred words, she found me interesting and exchanged numbers, only to sober up the next day and avoid her on the street..HAHAHa. What a f**king outrage!
There was this particular occasion where I got piss drunk, walked out of my door, down the street to this hot chick smoking next to her ride. We talked and talked. Shit, I don't even remember half the crap I said, but she was laughing the whole time. She gave me her number, I gave her mine, she called like 2 or 3 days later and asked for a walk. Thing was, I was sober and had returned to my embarrassed, looking-to-the-opposite-side-when-talking state of mind. That was one of the most heart-wrenching experiences of my life. She kept asking what was wrong with me. After that day she starting giving excuses not to hangout.
Moral of the story: Talking to a chick in the opposite direction and with a lack of confidence will NEVER get you laid. Get drunk first
There was this particular occasion where I got piss drunk, walked out of my door, down the street to this hot chick smoking next to her ride. We talked and talked. Shit, I don't even remember half the crap I said, but she was laughing the whole time. She gave me her number, I gave her mine, she called like 2 or 3 days later and asked for a walk. Thing was, I was sober and had returned to my embarrassed, looking-to-the-opposite-side-when-talking state of mind. That was one of the most heart-wrenching experiences of my life. She kept asking what was wrong with me. After that day she starting giving excuses not to hangout.
Moral of the story: Talking to a chick in the opposite direction and with a lack of confidence will NEVER get you laid. Get drunk first
What about coffee? We all know it gives 'coffee breath', but does it make chronic bad breath worse? .. Chronic BB that may be related to acid content of the stomach?
I guess I'm thinking, if this could for some reason, change my crap breath to simply, bad coffee breath, I would start drinking it daily.[/quote]
Hi Mike, Coffee made my bb more worse. A occasional cup of coffee was Ok with me, but if I took coffee every day, it was not just coffee breath, but made my bb more worse. BTW, the coffee I drink is filter coffee with lot of milk in it.
Recently I have started using xylitol instead of sugar or sugar substitue as it claims to kill bacteria.
I guess I'm thinking, if this could for some reason, change my crap breath to simply, bad coffee breath, I would start drinking it daily.[/quote]
Hi Mike, Coffee made my bb more worse. A occasional cup of coffee was Ok with me, but if I took coffee every day, it was not just coffee breath, but made my bb more worse. BTW, the coffee I drink is filter coffee with lot of milk in it.
Recently I have started using xylitol instead of sugar or sugar substitue as it claims to kill bacteria.
I only drink vodka and diet coke and funnily enough I find diet coke helps suppress it for a short while. The only problem being, in a social environment I drink really fast to keep my bb at bay and end up very drunk lol.
Fresh orange is no good for me as this makes my bb much worse and if I drink coffee you can smell my breath across the room. I've had colleagues flinch in the past and one even commented I should drink less coffee.
I'm going to give the throat clearing a try as Phantasist has suggested.
I'm on my third batch of metronidazole and I can report on day 3, no improvement. It's no longer the miracle cure it was the first time I tired it
Fresh orange is no good for me as this makes my bb much worse and if I drink coffee you can smell my breath across the room. I've had colleagues flinch in the past and one even commented I should drink less coffee.
I'm going to give the throat clearing a try as Phantasist has suggested.
I'm on my third batch of metronidazole and I can report on day 3, no improvement. It's no longer the miracle cure it was the first time I tired it
Yes. My bb is much more prominent when my mouth is dry. And I think this is the case with all bb sufferers. Though drinking water does not get rid of bb, it just makes my throat feel little better.Libby wrote:Also is anyone's roof of their mouth extremely dry and rough? The drier it gets the worse I know my bb is.
Hi, I said i'd update you on the ENT specialist (second attempt), so here goes....
As soon as I sat down to talk to her, she noticed my dry lips and asked if my mouth was dry too - it is very dry, even though I drink at least 2 litres of water a day.
Had the usual camera up the nose and into the throat and the doctor said it looks like there is quite a bit of blockage there. Not causing PND, however this blockage is likely to cause me to breathe out my mouth during the night which would enhance my bb.
I told her I'd tried lots of nasal sprays and these were no good, however she said I also have signs of acid reflux. I told her I've tried tablets for this, however she told me there are different types. I may have the one that doesn't necessarily come from the stomach but is generated at the top of the food pipe (not even going to attempt to spell the technical term!).
Apparently any mucus from my nose hitting this acid at the back of my throat would cause an ideal breeding ground for bacteria and a bad smell. So the cut and dry of it is that i've been prescribed Lansoprazole (2 a day) and a nasal spray Avamys and i've been told I won't get any results for 3 weeks.
I will keep you posted on how I get on......
In the meantime I've been referred to a dental surgeon about having my wisdom tooth extracted. I'll be asking him if it's likely I have any bacteria pockets around the tooth, if so I'll have it removed.
I'm going to delay any operation for at least 6-weeks,as I want to see if this current regime makes any difference first. Fingers and toes crossed!!
This would then breed bacteria right down my throat, beyond where I gargle.
As soon as I sat down to talk to her, she noticed my dry lips and asked if my mouth was dry too - it is very dry, even though I drink at least 2 litres of water a day.
Had the usual camera up the nose and into the throat and the doctor said it looks like there is quite a bit of blockage there. Not causing PND, however this blockage is likely to cause me to breathe out my mouth during the night which would enhance my bb.
I told her I'd tried lots of nasal sprays and these were no good, however she said I also have signs of acid reflux. I told her I've tried tablets for this, however she told me there are different types. I may have the one that doesn't necessarily come from the stomach but is generated at the top of the food pipe (not even going to attempt to spell the technical term!).
Apparently any mucus from my nose hitting this acid at the back of my throat would cause an ideal breeding ground for bacteria and a bad smell. So the cut and dry of it is that i've been prescribed Lansoprazole (2 a day) and a nasal spray Avamys and i've been told I won't get any results for 3 weeks.
I will keep you posted on how I get on......
In the meantime I've been referred to a dental surgeon about having my wisdom tooth extracted. I'll be asking him if it's likely I have any bacteria pockets around the tooth, if so I'll have it removed.
I'm going to delay any operation for at least 6-weeks,as I want to see if this current regime makes any difference first. Fingers and toes crossed!!
This would then breed bacteria right down my throat, beyond where I gargle.
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Libby,
Acid reflux from the TOP OF THE FOOD PIPE is something I never heard of. If this is possible it could account for the mucus in the throat. and if that is mixed with a little PND it could be a veritable odor factory. I think we have to find out more about this. Give us the technical name so we can do some research.
If you breathe through your mouth at night, it would make your mouth very dry. I keep a glass of water on my nightstand and every time I wake up I take a sip.
As I said before, be careful with the nasal spray - prolonged use can be a problem. ENT doctors just love to give you nasal sprays, but prolonged use will make your sinuses a lot worse.
Acid reflux from the TOP OF THE FOOD PIPE is something I never heard of. If this is possible it could account for the mucus in the throat. and if that is mixed with a little PND it could be a veritable odor factory. I think we have to find out more about this. Give us the technical name so we can do some research.
If you breathe through your mouth at night, it would make your mouth very dry. I keep a glass of water on my nightstand and every time I wake up I take a sip.
As I said before, be careful with the nasal spray - prolonged use can be a problem. ENT doctors just love to give you nasal sprays, but prolonged use will make your sinuses a lot worse.
The hand we are dealt is fate. How we play the cards is free will.
It's a form of Laryngopharyngeal reflux - apparently in some instances the acids from the food are pushed back up through the oesophagus even before reaching the stomach. Hence no obvious signs such as heart burn etc.
This will perhaps explain why my mouth smells like a sewer immediately after milk and coffee etc.
Although 3-weeks before seeing any improvement seems like an age, however in order to rule this in / out correctly I'm not going to try anything other in the meantime.
Good point Phantasist re: the nasal sprays. I could open a small pharmacy with all the sprays I have been given in the past! The steroid ones seemed to be the worst, however I don't think this one is a steroid. I don't rate these sprays though, but in order to improve their effect, I'll start pre-rinsing with a neilmed rinse, just while I carry out this 3-week experiment.
First day of treatment today and no effect as yet.....
This will perhaps explain why my mouth smells like a sewer immediately after milk and coffee etc.
Although 3-weeks before seeing any improvement seems like an age, however in order to rule this in / out correctly I'm not going to try anything other in the meantime.
Good point Phantasist re: the nasal sprays. I could open a small pharmacy with all the sprays I have been given in the past! The steroid ones seemed to be the worst, however I don't think this one is a steroid. I don't rate these sprays though, but in order to improve their effect, I'll start pre-rinsing with a neilmed rinse, just while I carry out this 3-week experiment.
First day of treatment today and no effect as yet.....
I found this on it....
So here is what (LPR) laryngopharyngeal reflux is: LPR occurs when reflux goes above the upper sphincter and into the throat. It usually occurs without heartburn, less than 15% of people with this problem have heartburn. The larynx, trachea, bronchi and lungs are much more susceptible to damage from the stomach juices than the esophagus.
The larynx and pharynx burn at a higher pH than the esophagus. The esophagus will burn at PH 4.0, while the larynx will burn at PH 5.0. What that means is it takes a less acidic solution to burn the larynx, trachea and air passages than it takes to burn the esophagus. The larynx is approximately 100 times more sensitive to peptic injury than the esophagus.
The esophagus is better able to handle the acid than the larynx and pharynx because it has built in protective mechanisms. It also means that it takes even smaller amounts of stomach juices to do the damage.
Digestive juices can get into the upper throat at night as with regular acid reflux or GERD, but more people with LPR have damage occur during the day than at night.
Here are some common symptoms of laryngopharyngeal reflux (LPR):
Asthma or asthma-like symptoms
Bad breath that won’t go away
Belching or burping
Blockage of the breathing passage
Chronic Cough
Chronic Throat Irritation (feeling like something is there)
Continual Throat Clearing
Cracking Voice
Difficulty singing or extended talking
Difficulty Swallowing
Dysphonia (changes with the voice)
Ear pain
Excessive Phlegm in Throat
Feeling of a lump or something stuck in the throat
Hoarseness
Laryngospasm (feeling like one can’t catch one’s breath)
Post nasal drip
Sore throat
Throat clearing
Trouble swallowing
Weak voice
Wheezing
Any of these symptoms could be signs of something more serious, so if you have these symptoms please see your doctor instead of treating yourself.
LPR can be a very serious thing. Anything that affects the air passages or the upper throat area is a problem you must get under control.
It takes lots of repeated refluxes to damage the esophagus but a lot fewer refluxes into the upper throat area to damage things up there.
So here is what (LPR) laryngopharyngeal reflux is: LPR occurs when reflux goes above the upper sphincter and into the throat. It usually occurs without heartburn, less than 15% of people with this problem have heartburn. The larynx, trachea, bronchi and lungs are much more susceptible to damage from the stomach juices than the esophagus.
The larynx and pharynx burn at a higher pH than the esophagus. The esophagus will burn at PH 4.0, while the larynx will burn at PH 5.0. What that means is it takes a less acidic solution to burn the larynx, trachea and air passages than it takes to burn the esophagus. The larynx is approximately 100 times more sensitive to peptic injury than the esophagus.
The esophagus is better able to handle the acid than the larynx and pharynx because it has built in protective mechanisms. It also means that it takes even smaller amounts of stomach juices to do the damage.
Digestive juices can get into the upper throat at night as with regular acid reflux or GERD, but more people with LPR have damage occur during the day than at night.
Here are some common symptoms of laryngopharyngeal reflux (LPR):
Asthma or asthma-like symptoms
Bad breath that won’t go away
Belching or burping
Blockage of the breathing passage
Chronic Cough
Chronic Throat Irritation (feeling like something is there)
Continual Throat Clearing
Cracking Voice
Difficulty singing or extended talking
Difficulty Swallowing
Dysphonia (changes with the voice)
Ear pain
Excessive Phlegm in Throat
Feeling of a lump or something stuck in the throat
Hoarseness
Laryngospasm (feeling like one can’t catch one’s breath)
Post nasal drip
Sore throat
Throat clearing
Trouble swallowing
Weak voice
Wheezing
Any of these symptoms could be signs of something more serious, so if you have these symptoms please see your doctor instead of treating yourself.
LPR can be a very serious thing. Anything that affects the air passages or the upper throat area is a problem you must get under control.
It takes lots of repeated refluxes to damage the esophagus but a lot fewer refluxes into the upper throat area to damage things up there.
