An Amazing Discovery - Sugarfree/Chewable VITAMIN C

snoopsister · Post by **snoopsister** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:41 am

KL,

you are taking too litle vitamin c, try 4000 to 5000 mg aday. also very important that you let remain in mouth as long as possible. just let it disolve on tongue. John that is great news about your sucess. I too love how my mouth tastes and feels. Jimi I am also happy for you. wating for relief, I was thinking if the acids are too much for your stomach, why don't you try disolving the chewable tab in water and using it as a mouthwash. Keep it in your mouth for as long as you can 1-2 minutes at least and see if that helps. Also know that lavoris is coming out soon so this is the best time for us right now, we are in the solution so to speak

snoopsister · Post by **snoopsister** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:46 am

with all due respect to John, I disagree with him about never having normal people's breath. John has had confirmatiion from people that he smells fine, it's just we are so tramatixed that we can't believe it.

snoopsister · Post by **snoopsister** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:48 am

hey Missy,

Perhaps your body is so toxic that it will take you more time to see results, keep useing the vitamin c for about a month don't give before the miracle

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:10 am

I must say I went to high with doses - over 10 grams each day and I got a frequent visit to the toilet area

So i decreased the dose to 3 grams. I still havesmell in my throat if I use my finger and scrape the thriaoat area bit it feels it is is less.

I will keep you posted it seems like the infection is dripping down from my sinuses and into my throat and stays there and emmits smell.

But the bad breath will retrun if we stop doing it. I am kind of discouraged having bad breath. I have to go test on some people. Probably I will be disapointed.

or not

Iris · Post by **Iris** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:11 am

missy wrote:Waitingforrelief.....looks like it's me and you in the negative department.....I'm so happy for the rest of you guys.....wish things could be different for us.....I haven't seen any change at all......now I've lost 4 lbs.....at least there's some good news. Wonder what's with us....we are so alike.

You both are not alone. I also have not gotten the relief yet. In the beggining, I think I had a great improvement with the vit C, but later on the bad sweet smell came again. I got some relief with the low choline diet, but I need continuing looking for something that banish this bad sweet smell. I cannot smell myself. So, what I know from the perception of my husband (when he smells, not always) is that my breath has "bad sweet" smell. Which smell is that? I always ask this question to him, but he cannot describe it differently. I have been trying so many things too. But I will not give up trying....

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:15 am

missy wrote:Waitingforrelief.....looks like it's me and you in the negative department.....I'm so happy for the rest of you guys.....wish things could be different for us.....I haven't seen any change at all......now I've lost 4 lbs.....at least there's some good news. Wonder what's with us....we are so alike.

well missy - i seriously need to ask for confirmation about my breath before saying more. it's just that with every single up and down, i'd get all crazy about it and have to write about it on here as this is my breath-related issues outlet. i was so depressed this afternoon, bracing myself for the return of my bb with a vengeance - i had to let it out. i was preparing myself for the WORST kind of breath that'd come back usually after something had helped for a while. like after the mastic experiement, i had the most horrible fecal breath. i couldn't part my lips without smelling it.

i feel like my breath has been better today but i really can't be sure. i had to go out and be around people today at an event, and i didn't get much reaction. the little that i perceived, i am not sure if i was reading too much into it because i do notice that sometimes people do talk to each other with their hand over their mouth or nose sometimes. and then i was with two friends tonight, and i simply couldn't gauge their reaction. i didn't feel like i had good breath, but i'm sure they already know that i have chronic bb from having known me the past two years.

i KNOW my mouth doesn't feel as good as when i started the vit c regimen. even when i have the tabs in my mouth now, i feel the sticky feeling. my tongue - esp. right in the middle toward the deep end - feels much more rough and hairy. and the first few days on vit c - the smell of it wouldn't linger. they'd melt in my mouth and then after a while, my mouth would just smell like a mouth, not sourness that resembled vit c. now the vit c lingers for a long time, but it's not exactly a fresh smell. and my mouth just tastes sour and not too fresh.

in other words, i still don't feel "well" in the way that having bb makes me feel. dry mouth, sore throat, scratchy tongue, wafty warm feeling in mouth, sticky saliva, filmy gum and teeth, bad taste in mouth, lingering smell and taste (i had some candy before dinner tonight. even after dinner, i could still taste and smell it - along with the smell of dinner, but it was stale). however, it's still an improvement from not having vit c at all. but when i first started the c, it was more effective. now, not as much.

and i still have heartburn. i tried taking it before meals, after meals. whatever. still have heartburn. and i don't dare take any baking soda any more for fear it'd cancel out the vit c effect.

missy, you've mentioned that you've felt really tired and groggy since you started the c, me too. the first few days, i felt almost a surge of energy, but at the same time worn out. it's hard to describe. it almost felt like it's too hard on my body to process or something.

yesterday was the worst day. but i didn't drink much water, nor did i eat much becasue i was also stressed about work and bb. today i made an effort to eat a little more during the day (then had a big dinner, actually), and to drink more. and i think it has made a difference. in my case, i think i might have some chronic dehydration, that altho' i'm quite sure did not cause the bb, certainly never helped it. in your case, i know you said you drink lots of water, so that's probably not the case.

everyone, i'm sorry i obsessively record all the real/imagined ups and downs (as i don't have anyone to confirm my breath for me right now and i know that i obsess and possibly exaggerate every little thing that i feel) and make you guys read them. but when i need an outlet, this is the only place that i have now to talk about stuff. so i hope you guys will bear with me and let me vent. i will always make sure to be clear about what is just my perception and what is confirmed by others so that it'll be useful information for you.

regardless of the odor itself, i know when i feel "well" and when i don't. that i don't need anyone to tell me. i don't believe that i should have to live with not feeling well in my mouth anyway.

re the c regimen itself, i've been also feeling so acidic. i feel like i could throw up just thinking oranges, esp. becausethe tabs don't taste as good now as when i started the regimen because my saliva is more rotten again. so like i said, the taste lingers forever, so it feels like i'm doing vit c the whole damn day.

so missy, i just wanted to say, i guess it's not all negative for me. but it certainly is not as positive as a few days ago. i'm still afraid that whatever help that i AM now getting will be gone. i am disappointed that the effect has decreased as it is.

so i apologize for my ocd-like behavior. if anyone who knows me in real life read what i wrote here on this forum, they probably woulnd't even believe that it's the same person. i'm so not like that with everything else.

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:16 am

Iris wrote:
missy wrote:Waitingforrelief.....looks like it's me and you in the negative department.....I'm so happy for the rest of you guys.....wish things could be different for us.....I haven't seen any change at all......now I've lost 4 lbs.....at least there's some good news. Wonder what's with us....we are so alike.
You both are not alone. I also have not gotten the relief yet. In the beggining, I think I had a great improvement with the vit C, but later on the bad sweet smell came again. I got some relief with the low choline diet, but I need continuing looking for something that banish this bad sweet smell. I cannot smell myself. So, what I know from the perception of my husband (when he smells, not always) is that my breath has "bad sweet" smell. Which smell is that? I always ask this question to him, but he cannot describe it differently. I have been trying so many things too. But I will not give up trying....

i think i know what he meant by the "bad sweet" smell. i think i have that... but i don't know how to describe it any more than that either.

have you seen a doc about it? i've read that a "sweet" smell has something to do with the kidneys.

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:23 am

Jimi wrote:I must say I went to high with doses - over 10 grams each day and I got a frequent visit to the toilet area

So i decreased the dose to 3 grams. I still havesmell in my throat if I use my finger and scrape the thriaoat area bit it feels it is is less.

I will keep you posted it seems like the infection is dripping down from my sinuses and into my throat and stays there and emmits smell.

But the bad breath will retrun if we stop doing it. I am kind of discouraged having bad breath. I have to go test on some people. Probably I will be disapointed.

or not

jimi, i experienced the same thing the first few days. it was good tho' because i tend to have constipation in general. and it made my stool a lot looser, which was also good. and it also made it smell less...! (sorry if it's too much info!)

but the effect is not really lasting. i actually have been a little constipated the last couple days (altho' it could be stress as well). but VERY gassy. jeez, the flatulence. and my stool is smelling terrible too. i don't know what the problem is. it's just that vit c seemed to be doing something to my entire system, even digestive, in the beginning. and then after a few days, all that good stuff is disappearing.

are you guys drinking lots of water on vit c? i don't think i drank 8 glasses today - maybe 6 or so. but i still want to go to the bathroom a lot. and my pee has been almost clear since i went on vit c. i hope that's not a bad thing? i feel that dried out feeling when i drink water again. not to mention it again doesn't taste very good.

anyway, jimi, go out and test your breath on people pls, even if you don't have someone to ask. sometimes if reactions are all that we have to go on, at least there's that.

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:30 am

snoopsister wrote:KL,

you are taking too litle vitamin c, try 4000 to 5000 mg aday. also very important that you let remain in mouth as long as possible. just let it disolve on tongue. John that is great news about your sucess. I too love how my mouth tastes and feels. Jimi I am also happy for you. wating for relief, I was thinking if the acids are too much for your stomach, why don't you try disolving the chewable tab in water and using it as a mouthwash. Keep it in your mouth for as long as you can 1-2 minutes at least and see if that helps. Also know that lavoris is coming out soon so this is the best time for us right now, we are in the solution so to speak

hey the mouthwash thing is a good idea. i will keep it in mind. meanwhile, does anyone have a suggestion to minimize tooth damage?

re the lavoris, frankly i don't hvae high hopes on it for myself. first of all, i don't really trust any antibacterial agents anymore. in fact, altho' on one hand i'm eager to try it, i'm on the other very afraid to, because antibacterial stuff has only messed me up more. also, john's condition seems to be less severe/more straight forward than mine. the vit c has given him complete relief, nad a single mouthwash has given him relief for 2 yrs. if the 86 lavoris was really that good, i doubt that he's the only one who had found relief from it amongst chronic halitosis sufferer. in other words, i think his is probably a milder case of it. all these things that have helped others in controlling their bb, the c, and the mastic, etc... none of them has even temporarily but completely relieved my problem. even on my best days on the c, i still smelled mild odor and some sticky saliva at certain times of the day. it's like different things at best could get rid of a certain kind of odor, but there's always still someting there.

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:33 am

noptical wrote: good to hear it works for you too

The only thing I'm worried about is side effects, I really want my teeth and dont want to destroy them because of my bb, same for my kidneys . Nothing is good in excessive doses, even water can kill you if you drink too much.

yea if we lose all our teeth, even IF our current condition is cured - by the time we'll have to wear dentures, we'll be dealing with another kind of bb. what then?!

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:36 am

oceanside wrote:I am soo glad to read something happy/good news for a change. It's loooong overdued that we can talk about something happy, that our breath odor is managable, (for some). I had my favorite drink from Sonic-Drive in last night, diet cherry-lime aid. I havn't had one since taking VC. My mouth felt like Niagra Falls. I had so much saliva in my mouth that it felt so good and refreshing. It's amazing how much more my sense of taste of food increased b/c of clean mouth.

I had another great evening last night on the town. No major reactions. Granted, I know I will never have normal people's breath, but any reduction and improvement in my breath is nothing short of a miracle for me.

I would LOVE to hear more happy experiences. Perhaps someone would like to start another thread for members to talk about happy experiences, a cool date on the town, encounters at work, basically something happy.

I also strongly feel (maybe) combining VC and lavoris might just give us another extra boost of confidence in controlling our breath odor (at lease for sufferers with similar symptoms as me, and whom has found VC to be effective).

Well keep you posted on progress.

john

john, feel free to start that happy thread. we'd love to hear your good experience now that you're bb-free. and why do you say you'll never have normal people's breath when you said that you are getting relief?

once you have the lavoris - which has been proven to work for you - you'll have nothing to worry about at all!

enjoy.

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:39 am

KL wrote: So for those who have stomach upset, I recommend to take it while eating meals, it should not have any problem. The meals should not interfere with the action of the vitamin C.

hmm that might not be doable, as it takes like more than 10 mins for the 2 500 mg tabs to melt in my mouth. i don't see how i can take that big of a break and still eat the rest of my meal...

Iris · Post by **Iris** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:05 am

Waitforrelief,

yes, I have been in many doctors asking help for my situation. But none of them found nothing wrong with me. They always say that everything is ok and the exams confirm that. But I have never had my kidney checked. I will try to check that. Maybe I have TMAU, but I do not have body odor, just in the underarm sometimes. The low choline diet helped me a lot to get rid of underarm odor, but not the BB. I am taking probiotics, vit B1, B6 and acid folic to compensate the rigid diet.

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:06 am

Well waiting the best way is for you to stop and wait let us test it first, maybe it is just a short lasting hope or not.

I decreased the dose to 3 grams and it still works. My tongue probably lost its coating for the first time in years, but still I do not want to have false hopes.

I could scrape my tongue and the whole coating went off, usually I can not do that because the coating is still there and does not go off at all.

I have also sensiteive teeth, I know alemon juice can destroy enamel, but not the vitamin C, it is somehow different. YOu should be afraid when you see your enamel chipping away but not till then. Remember vitmin C is a god bless for your gums and probably for the enamel too. I can see if something is destroying the teeth right away and vit c is not in my case.

I am also freaking out about my teeth. I am afraid to loose them.

waitingforrelief · Post by **waitingforrelief** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:13 am

Jimi wrote:Well waiting the best way is for you to stop and wait let us test it first, maybe it is just a short lasting hope or not.

I decreased the dose to 3 grams and it still works. My tongue probably lost its coating for the first time in years, but still I do not want to have false hopes.

I could scrape my tongue and the whole coating went off, usually I can not do that because the coating is still there and does not go off at all.

I have also sensiteive teeth, I know alemon juice can destroy enamel, but not the vitamin C, it is somehow different. YOu should be afraid when you see your enamel chipping away but not till then. Remember vitmin C is a god bless for your gums and probably for the enamel too. I can see if something is destroying the teeth right away and vit c is not in my case.

I am also freaking out about my teeth. I am afraid to loose them.

well jimi, i can't stop now. if i believe that this is giving me SOME kind of relief, any relief, really, i'm hanging on to it as if my life depended on it.

i have been getting some tooth sensitivity from this week of sucking on vit c. so... but if you don't feel anything, you may still be alright. plus you said that you are taking a lot of calcium ascorbate powder anyway. i went to the store near me and they didnt' have that. only ascorbic acid...

i should've also gotten 1000 mg tabs instead of 500 mg. that way at least i don't have to suck on two tabs at a time nad maybe it'd minimize some damage to my teeth.

good to hear that even 3 grams is working for you.