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Tongue Coating Removal
So recently I started looking more closely at the coating of the tongue as a source. I have (at least) intermittent, if not full time mothball type smelling breath, and I have been trying to figure out what's causing it.
This smell was exactly what my tonsil stones smelled of, so I had my tonsils and adenoids removed last September. Since then, I have had a reduction of smell, but still it is present, and, I believe it is intensified by post nasal drip and tongue coating.
I have really long tongue papilla, and a seemingly constant white coating. I asked my dentist what it was, and he thought it was mostly dead skin in my case. My hair and nails grow really quickly, so maybe there is some connection between the tongue surface and those other keratin based things.
So anyways, I figured if I can eliminate all that coating then I could remove the favorable environment for bacteria and mucus to stay around.
I tried a ton of stuff, and have been trying stuff for years. What I recently discovered that is workings is grapefruit seed extract. I know GSE is pretty commonly discussed on this forum, but maybe give it another chance if you already have bought it.
If I swish a some GSE and warm water around my mouth for a minute, then spit and have a look at my tongue, there are literally strings and clumps of that white coating that come off and are then easily removed via tongue scraper.
I've been swishing the GSE for about 3 days now and my tongue is nice and pink.
Maybe this info will help somewhere else here. Please give it a try and let me know if it works for you.
Thanks
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If you still have mothball smell after this, then you must have a pocket of infection somewhere (lungs, esophagus, sinuses, teeth or gums). Please keep updating and hope this helps.
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I trust him, as he is a very well trained guy (went to one of the best dental schools in the country), and I have been seeing him since I was a kid. He's very honest with me too, and backs up statements he makes to me with medical research (even pulls out books in front of me to quote). So anyways, I think I can rule out tooth related issues.
I do have Chlorhexidine mouthwash that I bought on eBay from the UK. When I was using it I thought it did help. However I stopped using it as my dentist spotted the black staining that it makes on your teeth.
I had a lung X ray three years ago. At that time I started noticing the mothball smell (and tonsil stones), and it came back clear. Since that time I had my tonsils and adenoids removed, so that eliminates another potential source. I have noticed that when I don't clean my tongue for a while the smell just builds and builds, so I think I'm on to something.
I will try that oral B toothpaste with zinc in combination with the GSE. I don't think I'll go back to the chlorhexidine though.
What is the mothball smell? does anyone else have experience with that smell? I'm guessing it's just bacterial decomposition of mucus and dead skin, but I really don't know. It's not the typical "fecal" that you hear of so much on the forum.
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My tonsil stones had a very similar smell to that mothball odour, mixed in with a bit of horse shit smell (excuse the language there).
You haven't said if your tongue actually smells or not. You've only mentioned the appearance of coating. If your tongue does smells, then keep focusing on reducing this. Don't worry about chlorhexidine staining if you brush it onto your tongue with a brush. Any slight staining is easily scraped off.
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The only other things I can think of are sinus related or esophagus, but I use a neti pot often, and even do the flip turn method to ensure I'm getting the upper cavities. I do get heartburn. I am taking PPIs now, and go on and off PPIs depending on how good I am with keeping them stocked.
As for sinus stuff, I definitely have noticed the mothball smell after a night of drinking beer. I will wake up with a lot of mucus in my throat, and the mucus that's there is super thick.
I'm going to start using a humidifier in my bedroom and lay off beer for a while. Combine that with the neti pot and solid PPI use and maybe I can narrow it down further.
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Generic foul/vinegar smelling tongue is something that many of us may be needlessly obsessing with. Apparently, the presence of such odour on the tongue and in the saliva is normal up to a certain threshold. I can believe this because I have smelled this odour on some people's saliva, and yet their breath is fine. Once we're convinced we have bad breath, we go looking for the source, and it's too easy to start poking around and becoming fixated with every area that smells, when in reality it will have nothing to do with the cause of any actual BB. This applies to the tonsils too. Tonsil stones are not exclusive to BB sufferers. And how many of us have discovered BB unchanged after removal of tonsils, as an example.
Hope you manage to narrow it down eventually.
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As above
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Re: Tongue Coating Removal
ExhaleSafely wrote:Hi All,
So recently I started looking more closely at the coating of the tongue as a source. I have (at least) intermittent, if not full time mothball type smelling breath, and I have been trying to figure out what's causing it.
This smell was exactly what my tonsil stones smelled of, so I had my tonsils and adenoids removed last September. Since then, I have had a reduction of smell, but still it is present, and, I believe it is intensified by post nasal drip and tongue coating.
I have really long tongue papilla, and a seemingly constant white coating. I asked my dentist what it was, and he thought it was mostly dead skin in my case. My hair and nails grow really quickly, so maybe there is some connection between the tongue surface and those other keratin based things.
So anyways, I figured if I can eliminate all that coating then I could remove the favorable environment for bacteria and mucus to stay around.
I tried a ton of stuff, and have been trying stuff for years. What I recently discovered that is workings is grapefruit seed extract. I know GSE is pretty commonly discussed on this forum, but maybe give it another chance if you already have bought it.
If I swish a some GSE and warm water around my mouth for a minute, then spit and have a look at my tongue, there are literally strings and clumps of that white coating that come off and are then easily removed via tongue scraper.
I've been swishing the GSE for about 3 days now and my tongue is nice and pink.
Maybe this info will help somewhere else here. Please give it a try and let me know if it works for you.
Thanks
Hi, thanks for sharing. How much GSE and how much water?
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I can confirm at this point that the tongue coating does in fact build on my tongue and start to smell. It gets thick in my case. after a while I can even start smelling it randomly throughout the day, and in addition to random whiffs, I will have really foul morning breath if the coating isn't removed.
I did an experiment where I stopped using my neti pot, and stopped getting my tongue really well. The coating did build up, and I was pulling thick mucus through the back opening between my sinus and throat regularly. Those days I had some frequent random whiffs and also really bad morning breath. I started back on the neti pot and got my tongue nice and clean over a 2 day period and now feel a whole lot better.