Cleaning the linguals and surrounding area

[Twilight]

My "aroma" is also from nose + mouth but I don't have any palatine tonsils (removed yers ago) nor adenoids (at least not according to the ENT that checked a few weeks ago).

Did he actually use an endoscope? Not the little metal, solid ones. The first ENT I went to said I had no adenoid tissue left and he used a metal, solid one. My surgeon used a flexible endoscope and saw tissue left that he thought would be a great contributor to smell and bacteria.

This may be because the flexible ones reach much farther back into your nose.

About PND (I'm sure a lot of you already know this, but I felt compelled to post it for those who don't):

What are the causes of Post Nasal Drip?

Inhaled Irritants

This causes a swelling of the nasal and sinus linings which is very common where there is a lot of smog, dust and smoke.
Dairy Products
They cause mucus to thicken which leads to bad drainage.
Food Allergies
These cause mucus to thicken and cause bad drainage.
Illnesses
Colds, Flu, Bronchitis, Ear Infections and Tonsillitis are the main causes of PND and the production of excess mucus.


For me, I'm quite certain the main cause of my PND is tonsilitis. My tonsils are very cryptic and recently I've been have a mild sort throat like every day. I also have airborne allergies but I'm near the latter part of my treatment. And I get mild ear infections but I'm kinda thinking that relates to my tonsils...especially the adenoids. Also, I notice that when I press on my palatines, massive amounts of mucus will flow down.


I urge every one of you to cancel each of these causes out. Also, you really need to make sure your adenoids are completely removed. Since they reside in the nasal area they could very well be contaminating your mucus with bacteria. And thus spreading everywhere else, but not quite enough to the degree to get a sore throat like I do. You should also remember that if you got your tonsils removed as a child that they can grow back.

[Larc400]

My "aroma" is also from nose + mouth but I don't have any palatine tonsils (removed yers ago) nor adenoids (at least not according to the ENT that checked a few weeks ago).

Did he actually use an endoscope? Not the little metal, solid ones. The first ENT I went to said I had no adenoid tissue left and he used a metal, solid one. My surgeon used a flexible endoscope and saw tissue left that he thought would be a great contributor to smell and bacteria.

I guess it was flexible as it went via the nose to the throat area. As I specifically visited her to find out if I had a problem with my adenoids I guess she used something appropriate... ...so she looked and said "no, they're gone" (and they normally are gone in adults). I said "You sure ?". She did say it was kinda sticky and slow-flowing back there though and instructed me to sinus wash (yawn, done that for a year). She also prescribed Dalacin, if I want to try and blast the anaerobic bacterial activity. Did anyone try this antibiotic?

[Twilight]

Interesting. Do you know if your tonsils were originally cryptic before being removed? Can you give me as many details as possible concerning your bb? People reactions? Occurence of smell (does it come and go or is it basically constant)? Did removing your palatines help at all?

[Larc400]

Interesting. Do you know if your tonsils were originally cryptic before being removed? Can you give me as many details as possible concerning your bb? People reactions? Occurence of smell (does it come and go or is it basically constant)? Did removing your palatines help at all?

Removing the palatines was the first thing I did to beat the bb. I had huge hopes, as I had "tonsil stones" and the ENT had said it smelled rotten back there. Back then I was able to detect my own bb and it was barnyard style fecal. This did not disappear after having the palatines removed, although it felt good to have one area less to worry about. I've since been to gastro specialists (gastroscopy, barium meal, bacterial overgrowth test etc), bb specialists etc etc, also doing a TMAU test. All negative . Yeah, I've had many clear-cut comments through the years, and I don't mean vague things like people touching their nose etc. People touch their noses for millions of reasons. Some comments I've heard have definitely lead to the conclusion that a room/car can fill up with the stench without me even talking, so I guess the 'fragrance' comes via the exhaled air somehow. What about you ??

[Busted]

That's why we need to create a FAQ or something like that so newbies can read and learn stuff so we don't have to repeat the same things again and again and clutter the forum with not so useful posts but instead focus on learning new things.

Good luck with creating it.

*walks away

Of course you don't know anything compared to me. See what's under my nick? GOD! How dare you question God's knowledge?

I'm just kidding of course

Forgive me, I'm just a Master. If you have the power plz take away everyone's bb on this forum.

[Bluerain]

I've done some research online and still feel like the palatine tonsils are really the ones that can cause bb. The adenoids sit very high in your throat behind your nose and above the roof of the mouth. Infection of of the adenoids can cause:

* a very stuffy nose, so you can breathe only through your mouth
* snoring and trouble getting a good night's sleep
* sore throat and trouble swallowing
* swollen glands in the neck
* ear problems
(see : http://www.entcolumbia.org/tonsil.htm )

Your lingual tonsils can also be infected and cause:

-fever
- sore throat
-dysphagia
-muffled voice,
-and pain at the level of the hyoid bone during swallowing

(see: http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2003/ ... ohnson.htm )

In either case, there is no mention of bad breath. Also if there were smelly secretions from these tonsils they would likely flow down your throat. The adenoids sit on the opposite side from your tongue so the mucus/secretions would not likely slide or drip onto your tongue and sit there to create bad breath. The lingual tonsils are at the back of your tongue. Secretions would likely slide down your throat as well. Secretions from your sinus slide down directly on to your tongue.

On many occasions I have noticed clear mucus on the back of my tongue (that I can see it without even sticking my tongue all the way out to see the back). This mucus hangs around there and can contribute to bad breath. What I noticed recently is that this form of bb has a different smell. It's unpleasant but isn't fecal, barnyard like smell. Has anyone else noticed this? I woke up today and noticed that mucus from my throat that has been sitting around all night without saliva didn't really smell. The spit however smelled like shit. I'm postive it's from my palatine tonsils.

Twilight: I don't think your bb is from your adenoids. If it was then you would have constant bb. But as you said in your previous post you can sometimes get healthy breath with cleaning your throat area right? So that means it's from your tongue or palatine.

Larc400: I think twilight is right. Your palatine tonsils can grow back. Have you looked carefully for any regeneration of your tonsils. If there is still a bit of tissue left it might be causing your barnyard fecal breath?

[Twilight]

Twilight: I don't think your bb is from your adenoids. If it was then you would have constant bb. But as you said in your previous post you can sometimes get healthy breath with cleaning your throat area right? So that means it's from your tongue or palatine.

No, Bluerain, my bb is constant. I just doesn't stink as bad, if you will, when I clean my tongue. It lessens the degree of the smell because I've removed once source of the odor temporarily. That's what leads me to believe it is my adenoids. And also, the palatines ain't lookin too great either. Very cryptic and the doc said my adenoids weren't lookin too hot either.

But yes, my logic is quite simple. Constant bb + Adenoids and palatines obviously harvesting bacteria + bacteria spreading to cause bb and occasional sore throat + PND (it's not so bad when I don't have a cold) + bb obviously originating from oral/nose area = my case of bb. That said, for whatever reason, my tonsils are not so bad as to where I get 3 or more sore throats a year. That's why sometimes I think there are varying degrees of cryptic tonsillitis and depending on how yours is you develop different symptoms. Ours is more the less chronic kind and thus bb only really results and it doesn't get treated with antibiotics like a sore throat.

[Bluerain]

Twilight,
Here's something you can try to determine where your bb is located. Please disregard this if you already know it.

Ask a friend or family member to help you. Say you think you might have a sinus infection and need them to help you figure it out. To see if the bb is from your nose, close your mouth and exhale through your nose. Ask your helper if he/she can smell anything from the exhaled air. If your bb is originating from your nose (maybe adenoids) then they will be able to detect it. If they say they can't smell anything than bb is coming from your mouth area. If your bb coming from your mouth area is really bad then this might confuse things.

[Larc400]

The theory that the lingual tonsils may have something to do with bb is really just to do with it's "topography" , ie that it's bumpy, and a good hiding place for the bacteria which in turn cause the nasty gases. They can be harbouring bacteria without causing infection and/or secretion, I guess

[Twilight]

Bluerain,
Yeah, I'm 100% positive it comes out of nose and mouth. Mouth I believe to be worse but that is naturally so due to several factors.

Larc,
Our cases of bb are similar yet I notice a few differences. First of all, the smell may differ slightly but as long as we both experience a fecal odor I'm not going to pay to much attention to that right now.

What is most interesting to me is that you say the smell on your lingual tonsils comes back shortly after cleaning. I've noticed a correlation between this and when I have bad post nasal drip( like now sense I have a cold). That said, on most days I can go for at least 12 hours before the smell comes back, sometimes 24, sometimes even more (I'm referring to any smell on the back of the tongue/linguals). Please don't let this cause you to think less of the severity of my bb problem. I mean, the smell is always there and it still smells pretty bad. I can fill up a car or small room too. What I've notice is on days where my PND is worse, the smell comes back sooner. This seems logical.

I would like to ask you a few questions regarding your linguals and the smell, if you don't mind. It may help in identifying your problem:
Does the smell completely go away after cleaning your linguals?
On a scale of 1-10, how bad is your PND (10 being difficult to swallow)?
Do you ever produce mucus of any other color besides clear?
How clean is your tongue? What color is it most of the time? What is your daily oral hygiene routine?
How long does it take for the lingual area/back of tongue to smell after cleaning it and to what intensity (does it smell fecal or just stale)?
What vitamins/supplements are you currently taking to control your bb?
Have you ever done a pH test and if so, what were the results?

That's all. I hope it's not too much but I tried to ask only questions that I thought were necessary so please answer them the best you can.

[Twilight]

Mother of God! I've never really got a good whiff of my palatines before but I thought I might at well test it out. And well...I stuck my finger back there rubbed it around the best I could (it hurt too, does anyone else's tonsil hurt when you touch them?) and it smelled horrible! Just like pure crap. 100% pure crap. Worse than my tongue. Wow...I have few doubts in my mind now...

[elliott]

funny when I stick my finger way down there, it just smells like saliva... doesn't smell good, but it isn't as bad as some descibe.

But yesterday. I was getting some deadly taste and whiffs! Shyt, sewage, and acidy all at the same time. I went to stick my finger down, and it was bad, but not...death. How far are you pressing down the throat? I even took some cloth first aid tape, and wrapped it around the finger first, to catch some suckers in there, but it was only a thick liquid.

[mike987]

Mother of God! I've never really got a good whiff of my palatines before but I thought I might at well test it out. And well...I stuck my finger back there rubbed it around the best I could (it hurt too, does anyone else's tonsil hurt when you touch them?) and it smelled horrible! Just like pure crap. 100% pure crap. Worse than my tongue. Wow...I have few doubts in my mind now...

try massaging it as if you were trying to empty it.. i bet you got some stones in that pouch.. they are the absolute worst smelling thing.. made of death itself

[austuser]

when i stick my finger down and touch my tonsils it just smells like saliva. Its only when there is a tonsil stone in there (which is rare) that my finger will smell like absolute shit.