Bad Breath Halitosis Forum

Could type 3 and 4 breath be straight fecal smelling???

Also could there be a chance that the fecal breath is cause by gas just backing up on our system, like just escaping the opposite way?


Or could 3 and 4 type breath have any relation with bowel movements?

The reason why I ask is because I have found a pattern between my bowel movments and my breath. And I'm sorry I'm gonna get graphic but is all in the name of finding a cure. Every time I have a bowel movment I feel like my breath gets 80% better. The only time I feel that going to the bathroom doesn't help my breath is when my movements are more liquid than solid. When this happens I feel as if my breath actually gets worst.

One thing I'm sure of is that some how this fecal smell gets in our lungs (or comes from our lungs because of breath type 4, maybe). I don't smoke but I heard of people in this forum that when they smoke every time they exhale they get a mixture of tobacco smell with fecal smell.

br wrote:

aydinmur wrote:According to me (1) , there are 5 types of malodor:

[enter to systemic blood circulation. Lungs try to filter and exhale them via breath. They may have a bad odor. This causes bad breath.

Type-5 halitosis is psychologic.


References:
1. Aydýn Murat. [Halitosis, from diagnosis to therapy]. Nobel Týp Kitap evi, Istanbul, 2008. http://www.aydinmur.com/akkitabi.html
2. http://aydinmur.com/agizkokusu.html

Dear Murat
Is it possible to get your links in English please. Thanks

Open them up in Google Chrome browser. It will ask you whether to translate them to English.

If PharmolZn doesnt immediately stop or significantly decrease your halitosis, dont look for reason of halitosis in your mouth.

I think what was meant by this is to simply show whether your BB is coming from your lungs, esophagus, sinuses etc. I dont think the context was to emphasise the effectiveness of any measures against Type 1 bad breath.

Even if you could take your tongue out, its unlikely that it would make much difference if there was a rotting tooth in place that was giving off its own stench, for instance. And its the same with types 2, 3 and 4 bad breath, in that even if there is some "normal" odour on the tongue, and you werent sure whether that was strong enough to be causing your BB, then by taking effective measures to reduce this, and you find that your BB is unchanged, then you know its nothing to do with type 1.

Good to see you around again "ME"

Thank u, Aydinmur!

Hali wrote :

I think what was meant by this is to simply show whether your BB is coming from your lungs, esophagus, sinuses etc. I dont think the context was to emphasise the effectiveness of any measures against Type 1 bad breath. I think what was meant by this is to simply show whether your BB is coming from your lungs, esophagus, sinuses etc. I dont think the context was to emphasise the effectiveness of any measures against Type 1 bad breath.

Thanks Hali . I misunderstood him

Aydinmur wrote :

I always put a few drop cystein on his tongue dorsum in a next session. Halitosis level must immediately elevate over >800 ppb in cases except type 1. This tell me this is not a type 1 case or most dominant reason may not be in his mouth.

When cysteine is applied to the dorsum of the tongue, to the buccal sulcus or in the sublingual area , large amounts of volatile sulfur compounds are produced , demonstrating the immediate ability of the microbial flora resident in these sites to produce VSC . So if a cysteine application to the tongue dorsum increases the production of VSC , it means that the malodor is type 1 . Please advise if I misunderstood again

Halitosis type-1 is often a consequence of halitosis type II and III. Overgrowth of bacteria in sinuses or intestines will change the flora in mouth. White tongue is present in the type-I,II and III. ZnCl can reduce the BB by getting rid of bacteria in tongue temporaly, but BB from the insides will remain.

In my opinion halitosis type 4 (gases from blood) does not yield white tongue or tongue with bad odor.
Since bacteria are not exhaled from lungs, but just the gases.

Renato, that's why its so important to rule out and ensure there are no type II or III causes present. But there could also be many different reasons why there might be a type I halitosis in the absense of any of the other types. A prime example is any deep crevices, especially in the centre of the tongue, or deeper than usual tongue papillae (the true papillae depth not the coating). But as Aydinmur has stated, there is a lot that is still unknown relating to the type I halitosis, and that is surely where the answers are going to lie for many.

Also, a bacterial overgrowth in the mouth might arise out of being dehydrated. And there are situations that can cause type 4 BB that can also lead to dehydration, such as constipation and diarrhea. So its not true to say that type 4 wont yield a white tongue or tongue with bad odour.

Why exactly would overgrowth of bacteria in the intestines change the flora in the mouth? I always thought the flora in our intestines came from what took hold inside our mouth, which is what we then swallow, which then forms itself into our intestinal flora. How and why would it be the reverse of this?

You put boric acid in the mouthwash?

Boric acid is used to kill roaches

im type 3 or 4. I get a lot of bloating, stomach noises and gas

dr. aydin,

is it possible to have more than one type of bad breath? for example, i do get post nasal drip, digestion problems, possibly GERD, etc.. but i can sometimes also just feel that my breath tastes and smells bad. if i do a lick test of my wrist, sometimes i can detect no smell, and other times, i can detect a smell. i wonder if i can have both type 1 and type 3 bb.

ruch wrote:dr. aydin,

is it possible to have more than one type of bad breath? for example, i do get post nasal drip, digestion problems, possibly GERD, etc.. but i can sometimes also just feel that my breath tastes and smells bad. if i do a lick test of my wrist, sometimes i can detect no smell, and other times, i can detect a smell. i wonder if i can have both type 1 and type 3 bb.

Yes

Its possible to have more than 1 type togheter, he said it lot of times here... do a research

Thank you Doctor.

Doctor, please read the adenoidectomy thread and give us your trusted views and any experiences you might have in dealing with similar cases. Thanks!

Thanks doctor for your continued support.

aydinmur wrote:According to me (1) , there are 5 types of malodor:

Type-1 halitosis takes origin from tongue dorsum. Foods are turned aromatic-volatil compounds by anaerobic bacteria between papillae.

Type-2 halitosis takes origin around oral cavity. Paranasal sinuses, Waldeyer's lymphoid ring, retronasal mucosa, oropharynx etc.

Type-3 halitosis takes origin from gastrointestinal canal. Reflux, H. pylori gastritis, bacterial over growth, malabsorptions, gut and colon diseases.

Type-4 halitosis takes origin from blood gases. Many catabolic substances leave the body via renal or hepatic ways. If liver and/or kidneys can not truely filter them, this catabolic waste may resolve in blood plasm and enter to systemic blood circulation. Lungs try to filter and exhale them via breath. They may have a bad odor. This causes bad breath.

Type-5 halitosis is psychologic.


References:
1. Aydın Murat. [Halitosis, from diagnosis to therapy]. Nobel Tıp Kitap evi, Istanbul, 2008. http://www.aydinmur.com/akkitabi.html
2. http://aydinmur.com/agizkokusu.html

Hi Doctor,

I was wondering if one type can result in symptoms of another type. For example:

Can Type 3 which is as a results of bacterial over growth and Intestinal Parasites results in the release toxins which are not filtered by the liver and kidneys hence end up in the lungs and through our breath?

Thank you.