My diagnosis, PND

Larc400 · Post by **Larc400** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:34 am

My ENT told me constant tongue scraping will make the PND worse. That makes sense I guess.

MissPretty · Post by **MissPretty** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:28 am

I called the hospital but could not get the answer from the CT scan on paper but you could buy a CD where all the pictures were. I wanted to upload pictures and show to you and Aydinmur. What should I do now? Feels a bit like it's over for me now...

George80 · Post by **George80** » Sun May 08, 2011 10:08 am

I had my appointment at the Hospital a few weeks ago. They said my thing is minor and I should try regular treatment first, meaning nasal spray, reducing the swelling of the turbinates. Did not work at all, got even worse and I sometimes had a disgusting taste from the spray, as if something burned was in my mouth.
Next thing will be to check the ENT to have a look at my turbinates, if they got thinner. Then a CT scan again, since my one is too old. Man, I'm fighting this shit too long and I'm getting tired.
So I cannot tell you what to do MissPretty. You have to find out yourself. I only assume that my deviated septum is the real cause. But there will be no progress without surgery. I hope they are willing to give me this someday.

kostugova · Post by **kostugova** » Mon May 09, 2011 2:49 am

Hello, I was watching this site for a long time and I performed all the testing a couple of times and was on rounds of antibiotics last one -
Levaquin almost made me disabled and I took it in dose of 500mg
once a day together with docycilline 100mg twice a day. No result!
My CT scan result -

NASAL CAVITY :ComplexS-shaped deviationof the nasal septumis noted.
There is a septal spur on the left. Concha bullosa of the right middle turbinate is noted.
FRONTAL SINUSE: CLEAR.
ANTERIOR ETHMOIDS:Uremarkable.
OSTEOMEATAL COMPLEXES: LONG INFUNDIBULA AND uncinate
but open.
MAXILLARY SINUSES :clear.
POSTERIOR ETHMOIDS/APHENOID SINUSES ; no significant mucosal thickening.
MASTOID AIR CELLS;Clear
NASOPHARYNGEAL SOFT TISSUES; Unremarkable

IMPRESSION :COMPLEX deviation of the nasal septum with septal spur, otherwiseunremarkable study

Phantasist · Post by **Phantasist** » Mon May 09, 2011 1:51 pm

I have known people with a deviated septum and absolutely no bad breath. BTW, a deviated septum is very common and may not have anything to do with bad breath.

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Mon May 09, 2011 1:59 pm

A deviated septum by itself is unlikely to cause BB, but if it causes sinus blockage or airflow disruptions it could cause problems that could lead to BB.

kostugova · Post by **kostugova** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:25 pm

I don't know any of information could lead to bb. I just try to help
people to understand the cause.
Also I have a mild fever every day after 3p.m.
Does anyone has a fever?

nicc · Post by **nicc** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:10 am

aydinmur wrote:Concha bullosa is a reason of Type 2 halitosis. These are some small pneumatized spaces in nasal concha. They are filled by serum. Anaerobic bacteria silently invade them. Generally they have no symptom (pain, pus, or congestion). For this reason neither radiologists specify them in their reports nor ENT specialists attempt to cure them.

This is most important difficulty in halitosis treatment world wide. I frequently see such pneumatize concha in many patients. When/if Ent specialist eliminates them, that people continue their life without or lesser halitosis.

-Murat

That's very interesting. I have a deviated septum and I'm sure I've some issues with my turbinate(s). I would file my BB under this type two that you've mentioned. in the summer with sea air etc it gets much better. My mum has similar issues and I could recognise a similar mild odour every now and then.
I've always the feeling that I'm breathing at 60-70%.

nicc · Post by **nicc** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:20 am

Larc400 wrote:My ENT told me constant tongue scraping will make the PND worse. That makes sense I guess.

I don't see how this could be true

azishazi · Post by **azishazi** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:57 am

I went through surgery to straighten my septum. It does not help.

I thought I would post this before you guys waste your money.

kostugova · Post by **kostugova** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:57 am

I am not a doctor, I just one of the sufferers and my son got a bb too.
I just was going from doctor to doctor and I'd like Murad to tale a look at my CT.
I don;t want to do ANY surgery because nobody knows if it't will help.

nicc · Post by **nicc** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:08 am

azishazi wrote:I went through surgery to straighten my septum. It does not help.

I thought I would post this before you guys waste your money.

deviated septum is a thing, a problem with concha bullosa is another. this assumed you have type 2 bb.

George80 · Post by **George80** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:08 pm

The thing with the deviated septum and mucus can result from two things, from what I've heard:
1. deviated septum causes a blockage of the sinuses or passages that results in poor ventilation of the sinuses, then mucus is produced
2. if the air that flows in, hits the deviated septum and causes an air swirl that is not natural. this again causes a swelling of the nasal tissue and a poor ventilation, then mucus
The last thing sounds strange but seems to be proven. I heard it from my ENT and read it in a book about sinusitis from a harvard medical doc.
So a minor thing, like a slight deviated septum probably can cause heavy PND, I guess.

nicc · Post by **nicc** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:40 am

interesting... I'm certainly going to do a CT and see where we get from there. my sensation is that I'm under type 2 and the problem in the nose is causing BB. if you remember the book's title or any document you consider relevant please post it. big thanks!

George80 · Post by **George80** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:47 pm

"sinus relief now" and "healing your sinuses"