Hopefully, this will help you guys

SHITBREATH · Post by **SHITBREATH** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:02 pm

probably the thyroid is infected for some of us.

SHITBREATH · Post by **SHITBREATH** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:11 pm

Sorry for the ***k words i'm just drunk and angry.....Some day soon i'll be cured....I'll never give up

noway · Post by **noway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:05 am

SHITBREATH wrote:probably the thyroid is infected for some of us.

Well, but Thyroid will affect the GI system, constipation, diarrhea, fast or low metabolism, excess sweating or dryness, weigh gain or lose, hair lose ... etc and this is not a direct cause for bad breath.. But the adrenal glad touches bad breath badly because malfunction of the adrenal gland leads to decreasing cortisone in the blood and that leads to hyper sensitivities to every thing like drugs, food, body tissues, and one of the Addison's disease symptoms is white coated oral membranes!!. So, i'm asking you all to concentrate your efforts toward this section "endocrine glands and autoimmune issues" and the 1st step is blood tests for antibodies and cortisone concentration and consult your endocrinologist. i didn't advice you to take cortisone randomly like "Stankie" has said, i advised you to make your blood tests and consult your immune doctor instead of paying money for helpless dentists and ENT and mouthwash...etc.

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:58 pm

noway · Post by **noway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:24 pm

Stankie wrote:I would like some clarifications:

A. What is an "immune" doctor?? I've never heard of one. Google doesn't even know what it is?

B. Thyroid hormone, after affecting everything you listed, has absolutely nothing to do with any cause of BB, according to you?? What sort of Dr. are you, to so blatantly cast off one hormone for another, with out any sort of blood analysis knowledge?

3. Steroid replacement is dangerous. How can you recommend something with so many known health complications? What happens to atheletes who use testosterone hormones? Their balls shrink and they grow boobs.

D. "Use of high-dose steroids for more than a week begins to produce suppression of the patient's adrenal glands because the exogenous glucocorticoids suppress hypothalamic corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) and pituitary adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). With prolonged suppression, the adrenal glands atrophy (physically shrink), and can take months to recover full function after discontinuation of the exogenous glucocorticoid.
How can you still recommend this as a course of treatment? Once again you are treating a symptom, not the cause. If adrenal problems are the cause, exogenous steroids cause the problem to be worse! A lack of hormones is not the problem, what is causing the lack of hormone is the problem. It is probably related to diet, environment, and gene expression. Restoring the function of the adrenals should be your goal, not a life-long prescription to pharma.

5. Since gene expression is so big to you, how do you explain the role of gut-microbiota influencing gene expression? Even hormone regulation and brain chemistry? Could this not be the true cause, instead of the symptom you are so desperately trying to treat?

Stankie, If you don't want to help yourself piss off and leave my topic because i have no time for your disputes...

- and i said in the last comment that thyroid doesn't touch bad breath directly and our aim is the adrenal gland, so, read the full reply if you really aim to benefit not just dispute...

- Here in my country the specialist on this issues called "Blood Disease and Immunology Doctor" and "Endocrinologist" I don't non if the titles differs on your country or not, so don't blame me!!

- Finally i think you still misunderstand my vision and refusing to give it some attention to understand, so, my last hope will be another example close to public minds so, please read carefully don't just dispute because i didn't came to sell something and i'm not a doctor you have to pay me for cure, just i put the abstract for my scientific researches trying to make a work group and collect diagnosis of wide sector to solve the problem, my example will be the most famous endocrine gland disorder "diabetes" and i'm sure all of you have full details about this disease:

* Stress and depression --> genetic predisposition of the pancreas cells to respond --> triggers malfunction or autoimmune on the Islets of Langerhans endocrine cells in the pancreas --> decrease its secretion of insulin hormone in the blood --> High blood sugar --> diabetes --> Taking Insulin hormone shots --> maintaining the normal concentration of insulin in the blood and sugar levels.

* Stress and depression --> genetic predisposition of the adrenal gland cells to respond --> triggers malfunction or autoimmune on the endocrine adrenal cortex cells in the adrenal gland --> decrease its secretion of cortisone hormone in the blood --> increases the resistance from the immune cells to any foreign substance like food, drug and even body tissues including the oral and throat tissues (in our case) --> Bad Breath --> Taking cortisone hormone shots --> maintaining the normal concentration of cortisone in the blood and stop the autoimmune response of the immune system to non-foreign cells.

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:39 pm

Jenc0 · Post by **Jenc0** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:28 pm

It's intrestting that many and logical symptom of bad breath written before is stress....So in here is some truth!!!

noway · Post by **noway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:02 pm

Stankie wrote: Good luck. If your theory can't take any debate ....

No, it is debatable, just i asked you to be more scientific and positive, asked you to help me for us, i know you are nervous and frustrated and we are all in the same boat, So, we need more mind and co-operation!
Then, It is not "my theory" it is "my vision" and it stills a hypothesis but stands upon a scientific base not a myth...

Stankie wrote: D. "Use of high-dose steroids for more than a week begins to produce suppression of the patient's adrenal glands

Cortisone doesn't touch the sex proprieties of the body, its main function is like a peacemaker for immune responses and regulation of the vital concentrations of salt, sugar..etc on the blood...

Stankie wrote: How can you still recommend this as a course of treatment? Once again you are treating a symptom, not the cause. If adrenal problems are the cause, exogenous steroids cause the problem to be worse! A lack of hormones is not the problem, what is causing the lack of hormone is the problem.

I didn't recommend to take cortisone randomly, cortisone must be used under specialist supervision because you shouldn't stop it suddenly, you should decrease the dose gradually to let the adrenal gland return to secrete the normal amount gradually too...

Stankie wrote: It is probably related to diet, environment, and gene expression. Restoring the function of the adrenals should be your goal, not a life-long prescription to pharma.

Some cases needs the use of cortisone lifelong, like in case of Asthma and the hypersensitivities, so, it is not that nightmare as you assume. just it needs follow-up of a specialist to determine the appropriate dosage to treat the case without side effects.

Jenc0 wrote: It's intrestting that many and logical symptom of bad breath written before is stress....So in here is some truth!!!

Stress and depression is the guilty for many well known health complicated problems, So, it is the start of the thread.

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:43 pm

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noway · Post by **noway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:15 pm

Stankie wrote:All you are saying, if I understand, that exogenous steroids are the answer. If there is something wrong with your adrenals and involved hormones, there are other ways to address the issue than by hormone supplementation, which is dangerous and results in a degradation of the actual gland, since it is now useless. You will not be able to convince me that steroids are the answer.
There are other ways to address natural hormone levels, without steroids. Taking cortisone is not the answer. Taking natural things that help regulate cortisone, and cleaning out you gut, are ways to treat the problem, not the symptom.

This is totally right, bro. But it is the 2nd step not the 1st one.. some cases have semi-functional adrenal gland, so, it will never able to give them the normal concentration of cortisone and one the blood tests detection cortisone on the blood is injecting the patients with Adrenocorticotropic Hormone (ACTH) it is hormone too secreted from the pituitary gland to stimulate adrenal gland to secrete more cortisone the make concentration blood test, if the result high cortisone concentration, it means your adrenal gland just lost the motivation, but if not, so, noway you have to take normal dose of cortisone lifelong. Now, lets assume the 1st result that your adrenal gland has the ability to gives body its normal concentration of cortisone, the 1st step in treatment is giving the patient high dose of cortisone more than the normal to inhibit the distributed inflammations and inhibits the existing antibodies which attack the tissues after this period and after disappearing symptoms the doctor diminishes the dose gradually to let the adrenal gland return to secrete its nature cortisone gradually then stops the cortisone intake when arrive to the normal secretion, now, it is the time for your opinion, the patent who has the ability to be affected on his adrenal gland during stress should take this supplements which motivate adrenal gland to maximize its power in secretion cortisone to prevent antibodies from attack the tissues again.. now, what is the supplements which will motivate the adrenal gland other than ACTH?!! if you really discovered this, so, Nobel Prize should be given to you for the service of humanity. and we will be more happy if you discovered some nature supplement to motivate the pancreas to secrete normal concentration of insulin instead of injections for diabetes patients too...

meowkity1 · Post by **meowkity1** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:02 pm

I believe thils original post because when iget anxious, nervous or stresssed, I can actually feel/sense the fumes/gas rising up, my face gets stuffy and hot and thewres a sesne of heajvy or' densse air around my face

Jenc0 · Post by **Jenc0** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:27 pm

I think that not necessariliy, that you have to eat additional steroids(hormons), it's important to rewind your anxiety,stress and that....

There are other options for cure:

- avoid stress(leave job, where you unlucky...mobbing)
- try yoga (meditation is great thing)
- try cometitive sports (maraton 42km)
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noway · Post by **noway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:45 pm

Jenc0 wrote:I think that not necessariliy, that you have to eat additional steroids(hormons), it's important to rewind your anxiety,stress and that....

There are other options for cure:

- avoid stress(leave job, where you unlucky...mobbing)
- try yoga (meditation is great thing)
- try cometitive sports (maraton 42km)
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If you left your job so, take care of wasting your time on porno websites and masturbation because it hurts the cortisone consumption badly, so, i think the medical way is the best choice, bro!

Stankie · Post by **Stankie** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:06 am

noway · Post by **noway** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:22 pm

Stankie wrote:I love how you don't even address anything I say, just keep beating your drum. This is not the answer. It is dangerous.

How many "I'm Cured" threads are you gonna make????
First antibiotics, then adenoids, now cortisone. People are usually only 'cured' once, not 3 times now . . . . . . . . . . . .

Practice what you preach and realize salvation comes from within. No one will save you. Not even your doctor or big pharma. No cortisone shot or pill will save you.

noway wrote: what is the supplements which will motivate the adrenal gland other than ACTH?!!
Ginseng, Ashwaganda, bilberry, catnip, cat's claw, chamomile, lemon balm, reishi, schisandra, scutellaria, hops, rooibos, cannabis, GABA, glutathione, NADH, SAMe, Taurine, TMG, Vit B complex, Vit C, Ca/Mg, CoEnzyme Q10, kava kava, saint johns wort, skullcap, passionflower, dong quai. OMEGA-3 fats, EPA, DHA, Omega-9 fats.

. . . . . . or you can address a symptom with known cancer-causing, body-destroying steroidal hormone injections. Hoping your doctor is smarter than god and nature . . . . . . .

Seriously good luck. You're ignorant and can't even have a debate, because you are wrong and have nothing to stand on.

noway wrote:we will be more happy if you discovered some nature supplement to motivate the pancreas to secrete normal concentration of insulin instead of injections for diabetes patients too...
It's called cannabis. Marijuana. Hashish. I didn't discover it though.

And you're too ignorant to consider it a medicine, because it isn't patented, regulated, and sold for a profit from a drug dealer (pharmacist)

Good luck with you hormones. And cortisone leads to depression and more stress. It doesn't lower it. Look into the side effects.

Just one time that i said i'm cured after tonsillectomy because of i got long period of been cured and came back after depression, this period inspired me with a lot, the difference on this period was all my food was soft and and almost fluids and the my mental state was very great and that i lost on the period during the symptoms came back!! even when i was suggesting that my tonsils the the only possible anaerobic place to host anaerobic odorous infection, it was a scientific suggestion because anaerobic infection needs anaerobic place to grow-up and anatomically it was the only possible accused!

abstract of my vision is the autoimmune and antibodies is already exist in our blood and some organs like the lining of the GI tract has the genetic predisposition to be attacked severely with this autoimmune disorders, i stand upon powerful and clear scientific evidences, and i have a doubt of an uncommon disease similar to lupus called Crohn's disease but it still a doubt and needs to collect diagnosis from wide sector of members here to assert that my vision is a real.

So, If my vision is correct that means no possible cure other than inhibiting the immunity system and in my vision the root cause of this disease maybe low level or high level of cortisone and this means disorder of the adrenal gland "still suggestion" and if there is right and adrenal gland has no ability to secrete adequate proper conc. of cortisone so, Ginseng, Ashwaganda, bilberry, catnip ... bla,bla,bla will never help you as you recommended and we never heard of one suffers from lupus cured with bilberry, catnip, cat's claw... and also we never heard about some one suffers from chronic bad breath got relived by chewing his food well like myths that you believe on and discuss on the forum also we never heard about patient with hereditary diabetes eating cannabis. Marijuana. Hashish when sudden change of sugar level and he is still alive!

I'm waiting your researches result and suggestions for the possibles and nature cure ways like chewing well and rinse with a 3 gallons everyday and eating apples to solve all our heath problems and i'll take my way and my researches silently and waiting you to help us, bro...