Bad Breath Halitosis Forum

space wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:21 am Hello, StillHoping, thank you for reading these entries and also thank you for your suggestions, I will try them soon.

For the appointment on Saturday, I will do the same routine I used in Monday, also the same meal plan (more veg, very small amount of meat, no smelly food, no super processed foods) the only thing I will change to test something is add bread. Although last week, I avoided eating bread especially pastries, I want to note that I was not totally gluten free as I have eaten wheat in noodles and small amounts in some other food. This meal plan on saturday appointment, I included bread, white bread, no cream/frosting, not sugary.

btw, here's the semi-full list in my "food archive", I don't have face-to-face feedback all the time, so the one's in smelly section, I usually base it on the level of smell that I can detect on my own, I just know it's 2x-3x worse when others smell it (but others also stated here that, you should not judge your bb base on the feel of your mouth, reliable feedback is a must)

I'm just putting it here just in case you want to test the food one by one and see if it makes a difference to you (I have already put this in our thread from our country, but it's in mix Filipino-English language we call "Taglish", this one's for everyone who can understand English. I must emphasize that this is from MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS only.

It includes 3 categories: SMELLY, MUCUS AGGRAVATING, LBM/CONSTIPATION

I. SMELLY (not in order, but these are the worst offenders)
- beef (hamburger, corned beef, shawarma, beef stew, anything with beef)
- I'm not sure what do you call it there, but here we call it "longganisa", smellyyyyy
- junk foods, if there's "spices" written on the pack, usually they are onion and garlic powder, junk foods make me smell up to early hours the next day
- seasonings (cubes, excessive seasoning, tamarind powder)
- soups that has onion, chives, and garlic when boiling
- citrusy (lemon, orange, grapefruit, etc)
- tomato-onion-meat-cheese combo
- onion-garlic-soy sauce combo
- onion-y, garlick-y, chives-y
- sometimes cheese and eggs
- instant noodles with lots of seasoning
- canned goods like sardines, tuna, mackerel, even sausages and hotdogs
- this is not food, but I will include it here as this makes the smell worse: minty commercial toothpaste or even natural but still minty toothpaste

I wont mention the other local meals here as you might not be familiar with them, but the other smelly vegetables just in case you do plant-based (*plant-based is the term mostly for health related reasons, vegan is more about ethical reasons including avoiding leather and other things) SMELLY IN PLANT-BASED:
- cabbage
- daikon
- broccoli and cauliflower
- soy products
- beans can be smelly too
- some fruits (in my observation):
- banana
- pineapple
- mango
- papaya
- citrus including lemon
- even red apples sometimes

Some other things to consider that I dont consume/do:
- coffee, even some tea (smells like tobacco after)
- alcohol
- smoking
- your type of mouthwash also
- the gum you use to mask your breath
- some medication
- some products you put near the nostrils like vicks

*I don't have a certain LABELLED DIET that I'm following, I don't do keto, not solely plant-based, not paleo, not totally gluten-free, I just follow my own list/observations.

II. MUCUS- AGGRAVATING (*clear mucus, some of these triggers are not food)
- everytime you cry, the mucus in throat gets "thicker" and "dripping"
- sleeping right after a big meal, make the mucus also feels "thicker" right after you wake up
- milk, milk, milk, dairy
- spicyyyyyy
- minty toothpaste sometimes
- vinegar too, and acidic like tomato, note that I get sore throat sometimes in the morning the next day after taking my ascorbic acid supplement
- chocolate, cocoa
- cookies, some bakery goods
- not gluten-free oats (or maybe oats is just mucus forming itself)
- sometimes coconut milk too

III. LBM/CONSTIPATION
LBM:
- milk/dairy
- anything creamy: mayonnaise, icing/frosting, peanut butter, creamy sauce in pasta, too much vinegar

CONSTIPATION:
- beef or overeating lean parts of pork or chicken
- dehydrated
- not eating veggies

space wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:57 am Log November 10, 2019

A FEEDBACK! So I told you I got to work at home, but also a part of the job is to talk to a person at certain hour of the day. Today is the first the other person commented about the "fart" smell.

I have been interacting with the person but today is the first time I got that comment. Last night, I ate a "moderately" smelly junk food, today at breakfast I ate crackers and bread with a small block of cheese in it. Before that comment, I was also eating the same bread with that cheese (I'm not really sure what kind of cheese was it, but its similar to when you cut a piece of queso de bola).

And so this is like a eureka moment, that I was right, what I eat really affects the smell or level of smell I give off (even when I get to remove my impacted wisdom teeth). This happens because of the mucus in my throat. I had a theory in the past that, comparing when a "normal" person eats a smelly food, he/she will have "normal" temporary bb. But when it is I who will eat that smelly food, the mucus in my throat will kind of trap the smell of that food, or maybe microscopic particles of the food, thus magnifying that "supposed to be normal and temporary" bb to a "fart" like level bb.

What's interesting is that, when I was about one and half meters away, it seemed okay. I only got the comment when I came near (side by side) the other person.

Whenever I go out, I avoid eating smelly foods. Do my normal routine: 1. flavor-free toothpaste, 2.floss, 3. gentle tongue cleaning with a toothbrush not tongue scraper, 4. optional, sometimes I finish it off with a rinse (baking soda diluted in water), 5. clean nostrils. And as expected, I don't get the "fart" comments. I can sit in peace side by side with the others.

When I say smelly foods, I'm pertaining to high tryptophan, high thiol, and high
methionine foods. Tryptophan will produce indole or skatole (not sure, but its the feces smell). Methionine produces methyl mercaptan which is one of the "smelliest" smell there is. The SELENBP1 sufferers should avoid methanethiol. I mainly avoid these smelly foods cause of throat mucus issue.

space wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:20 pm I ranked the foods based on a rough estimation, I forgot how I ended up with my list, I’ll try to find my notes tomorrow

A short note, high methionine and high tryptophan have almost the same list of foods, I just want to make sure that I cover most of the smelly producing foods thats why I included both

~ soy products
~ cheese
~ spirulina
~ cod fish
~ chicken or turkey breast

I’ll try to put the list based on my old notes tomorrow

I started reading about “smelly“ foods from the information that dense protein will smell, started from cysteine, moved on to methionine, also read about choline, sulfur, moved on from sulfur to thiols, researched about what gas has the fecal smell, ended up with indole or skatole, thats why I was brought to researching tryptophan

Im not putting all the fault in my system or in my throat. I’m tackling all my factors of bb, one by one. Im removing my wisdom teeth first, all four of them, they also give off smell