Candida or VSC....

[Vivian]

I'm so confused!!! I was on the candida diet for 3 weeks now, but towards the third week, my body was craving grains (particular having a tasting for rice) that I cheated and ordered a quart of rice one night; and the next, sushi rolls. Needless to say, with the thanksgiving holiday, it just destroyed what little i accomplished for the past 3 weeks.

At the same time, it has me thinking....I'm not sure if I had/have candida?? I experienced no die-off symptoms; but I did feel faint a few times when I was in the shower. My roommate mentioned that when her mother was on the atkins diet, she also felt weak, but that was do to the lack of low carbs.

Being on the diet, I did notice a change in my bb, but I've always known that sugar makes it worse. But what discovered is that grain/rice doesn't. When I had the rice that night, and finished off the rest in the morning, I was expecting my bb to return somewhat back to it's strong smell, but it didn't; it actually was a bit better then it had been for the past three weeks. So I asked myself, what is it that I just did different. And it was that I didn't have any meat that night or in the morning with my rice. My breath was okay with eating rice, but meat/protein makes it a bit worse, and sugar defientnly brings out the fecal scent.

So, in doing the usual google search, I ran accross dr.'s katz webpage that discussed VSC's and how the four categories plays on sulfurs and makes the odor worse.

So now i'm wondering - atleast with me - is it that it's the VSC that is reacting to some of the things that we eat or is there really an issue with candida. The reality is, is that the medical world really doesn't recognize candida as being a serious problem. And alsmost anytime we've gone to different specialist, they'lll always say that 90% of the times the origin of the foul odor orginates from the mouth.

VSC is something that is known, but there really doesn't seem to be anything on the market that can seriously combat it. And that's scary!!!

As we all know, all of the over the counter remedies really cater to people who have occasional bb, or perhaps even suffering from halitophobia. It does nothing for people like us.


So what do we do....how do we get pharmacies, universities and doctors to really look into the severe bb suffers and come up with a solution to help combat VSC that for what ever reason does not allow us to indulge in many foods that other can consume. If they don't feel that they can make any money off of us....then there not going to really look into finding a solution.

So how do we combat this??? How do we get them to listen, and let them know that there is a market for us?? ANyone??

[halitosisux]

Hi vivian,

I guess in the same way as eating too many sweets/candy we increase the chance of tooth decay because the bacteria feed off the sugars directly for the few minutes they are present in the mouth. The acids then attack the enamel and erode it.
Based on this fact, many other products we consume have the same direct effect on the oral bacteria while the foods are present in the mouth. In our case our breath ends up getting worse for whatever biochemical reason is taking place.

[Vivian]

Hi Halitosisux:

Yes, for whatever reason, our breath just gets worse because of certain foods we eat.

At this point, I'm just so tired of dipping into my pockets to find a remedy; but at the same time, i know if i don't try, i'll be miserable.

I wish science would make an effort to solve the bacteria mistery.

[halitosisux]

I know how you feel vivian
But there have been some really significant discoveries lately that are fundamental clues which offer new insights into the mechanisms behind our problem, and science will eventually just stumble on the answers we are needing so desperately. Try to keep a positive attitude. One day we'll all look back and realise how amazingly brave we've all been to keeping going in this long, dark and lonely tunnel.

[fedenon]

for me the candida destroy the good bacterium. In the mouth destroy the aerobic bacterium (no odor production) in the upper tongue, then the anaerobic bacterium work because no good bacterium "fight" and this live in protect zone like the inside of tongue and tooth. The anaerobic dont fight with the candida, they just take the ambient and produce the cvs with the white tongue (candida and rest died of candida, mucus, and death cells). Is my theory.