In my opinion our bad breath isn't as bad to others as it is to us. This is because (again imo) we have become overly sensitive to bad smells.
From my experience, whenever I get a whiff of a perfume or cologne I get a little dizzy. I dislike bad smell overall, and bad smells seem to trigger my own bad breath...
It's a fact that our sense of smell is our repressed sense.... It's normally repressed so a regular person smelling something bad will notice it, yes it smells bad but to some with halitosis with a non repressed sense of smell, it smells extremely bad.
So my advice if I were to give advice is this.... Keep your head about you, examine your environment.... yes you smell, yes others know you smell, but are they choking or extremely uncomfortable? probably not.. Ocassionally you will get someone who will give you a look or body language telling you that you do indeed smell, HOWEVER, keep your head up and always be aware of you environment... This alone will ease some mental frustration.....
When we get fearful, we don't want to look others in the eye, we keep our heads down, we try to mind our own business, while shaking in our boots. THIS IS exactly part of the vicious cycle that increases our tension = bad breath.
Being in a fearful state, we keep breathing into our pain = bad breath, if we keep ourselves aware, we breath in our environment = fresh air... instead of continually feeding on ourselves and spewing out our insides.
Whenever I get into a situation when there is a bad smell, mainly from me, I keep my head up. REASON IS, WHEN YOUR HEAD IS UP, YOUR NOSE IS ALSO UP, MEANING YOU WILL BE GETTING FRESHER AIR, IF YOUR HEAD IS DOWN YOUR JUST INHALING BAD AIR AND FEEDING THE CYCLE OF BAD BREATH, SO KEEP YOUR HEADS UP IN ELAVATORS AND KEEP YOUR HEAD UP IN GENERAL: I don't mean looking up, I mean raising the chin higher than usual.
This is the end of my rant, these are all my opinions and experiences, please be aware of that. Good night.
Is our breath as strong to others as it is to us?
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halitosisux
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I think I can relate to what you are saying. Although I never had odour from my nose, I had my own ways of being able to smell my own breath coming from my mouth, and it was as though a negative feedback system of constantly reminding myself and by smelling it was reinforcing the worst case scenario in my mind. Sometimes I would try mental exercises where I would refrain from thinking about it or trying to smell it for a few days and even though I knew I still had bad breath my whole perception of myself and my problem changed. It went from being EVERYTHING about who I am to just being a part of who I am.
I guess its the same thing when someone who is unhappy with some aspect of their looks and keeps looking in the mirror - its just reinforcing their irrational distorted beliefs from distorted angles and viewpoints.
But back to the topic, yes I definitely believe that most BB described by people who are aware of their problem is likely to be more exaggerated than it actually is. Quite ironic too how people who tend to have the most HORRIFIC BB seem often to be oblivious to it. This just goes to show how powerful the mental aspects to this problem are - whenever studies are carried out on a controlled group of people with BB, there always turns out to be a percentage who are halitophobic - and no doubt they felt as convinced as anyone else with BB that their breath smelled bad, but yet it doesnt. And yet there are people who really do have the most dreadful breath and they remain completely unaware of it.
I guess its the same thing when someone who is unhappy with some aspect of their looks and keeps looking in the mirror - its just reinforcing their irrational distorted beliefs from distorted angles and viewpoints.
But back to the topic, yes I definitely believe that most BB described by people who are aware of their problem is likely to be more exaggerated than it actually is. Quite ironic too how people who tend to have the most HORRIFIC BB seem often to be oblivious to it. This just goes to show how powerful the mental aspects to this problem are - whenever studies are carried out on a controlled group of people with BB, there always turns out to be a percentage who are halitophobic - and no doubt they felt as convinced as anyone else with BB that their breath smelled bad, but yet it doesnt. And yet there are people who really do have the most dreadful breath and they remain completely unaware of it.
It definitely is more negative to others because we don't want to be giving out foul odors, we want to enjoy good scents like everybody right?OneDay111 wrote:Well, in the harsh reality its worser for others. However if bad breath has hit you hard, it will smell worser however this is a mental thingy.
My point is, the intensity of the smell is definitely stronger when I smell it than when others smell it. This is from personal experience.
This changes nothing yes, but it could be a good estimate to how bad you really smell. If you believe this is also true for you, have a bit of relief that the smell from you isn't from 1 to 10 an 8, it probably is a 5.
We've trained ourselves to automatically be wary of bad smells because we always think it's us, I say it's time we hit the incense stores and start to enjoy the positive side of having a nose.
This is also mentally healing, inhaling a good scent is like wow, the polar opposite of our smelly moments.
It definitely is more negative to others because we don't want to be giving out foul odors, we want to enjoy good scents like everybody right?OneDay111 wrote:Well, in the harsh reality its worser for others. However if bad breath has hit you hard, it will smell worser however this is a mental thingy.
My point is, the intensity of the smell is definitely stronger when I smell it than when others smell it. This is from personal experience.
This changes nothing yes, but it could be a good estimate to how bad you really smell. If you believe this is also true for you, have a bit of relief that the smell from you isn't from 1 to 10 an 8, it probably is a 5.
We've trained ourselves to automatically be wary of bad smells because we always think it's us, I say it's time we hit the incense stores and start to enjoy the positive side of having a nose.
This is also mentally healing, inhaling a good scent is like wow, the polar opposite of our smelly moments.
iM STARTING TO WONDER. mY DAD CAME BY A COLUPLE OF DAYS AGO, i HAD HE DOOR OPEN SO i COULDNT AVOID HOM, SO i BROKE DOWN CRYING EXPLAINING TO HIM WHY Iv been so distant. He was very understaning at first
He said there was a time he didnt have insurance had a bad tooth and got it pulled, he showed me it was the same ttooth as mines
He said he would try to help me any way he could, now I know my breath was bad I had just eaten beer bratwurst just before he came and it was bad before that. So although he was understanding at irst he changed. after I was done explaining and crying I popped some peach gum, and he said all I can smell is the gum. He asked to look at tongue and he said it looked normal, I asked to look at his, his really didint look normal, and he says he always has very awful morning breath. Then I was talking and he got right in my face and said all I smell is gum ( well isnt that the point I put it i my mouth). Like I said at first he was understanding, but after he axamined me it was like he started geting mad like I was lying or something. He said its not bad and its all in my head. He said it was probably bad when bad tooth was in and now I dont know how to let it go. He said I am probably obsessed with looking for reactions. And I said dad before I even mentioned my bb you were reacting by rubbing your nose, he said he had a cold. I told him its not in my head and it goes through my nose and I am part of a forum with many people that are going through this, It seemed like he got mad, he said leave those people alone and live your life theres nothing wrong with you
In his head he thinks this is some excuse Im making up because I v been so distant.
So knowing the title of this topic, I dont know what to think anymore, could it not be as bad as I think?
Im confused, I dont know anymore.
I know its bad not bad as before but bad. My mouth is always really hot even when I think its decent my car windows fog up really fast.
Alll I can do now is accept his invitations knowing I did warn him. So when I come to dinner and everyone is having sneezing attack then he'll believe me.
And even when I know Im not tasting shit people still react like whatever it is tickles their nose and throt
My sons speech therapist was over thursday and she kept clearing her throat every time I talked saying something is tickling her throat. WHAT THE ***k IS IT?
While my dad was here thinking I was making it up , I said to my son ( Son doesnt my breath stink most of the time) right in front of my dad he said no. So when my dad left I said why did you say no? He said because it doesnt stink all the time. Right then and there I covered my mouth and asked him if my nose stunk and he said yes. So Im kind of mad he made me look like a liar. And I am mad at my dad for first being supportive and then getting mad, but all the while rubbing his nose. Of course I am obsessed with looking for reactions. especially since my mouth lately doesnt even taste bad anymore, but if peole constantly rub and sneeze and cough as soon as I talk I am obviously not imagining things.
Maybe it has to do with the other person. I have 1 neighber who barely reacts , she rubs sometimes but never sneeze or cough and she actually talks to me alot, we have alot to talk about. But my neighbor on the other side of me, as soon as I walk ny her door she has a coughing attack,and shes inside Im outside, I know its me because it happens as soon as Im right in front of her door. When Im on my deck barbquing she closes her door.
So dad your not going to tell me its in my head, guess what I widh it was. But I know better
I am so ****ing tired, I didnt even brush last night. Im just ****ing tired
He said there was a time he didnt have insurance had a bad tooth and got it pulled, he showed me it was the same ttooth as mines
He said he would try to help me any way he could, now I know my breath was bad I had just eaten beer bratwurst just before he came and it was bad before that. So although he was understanding at irst he changed. after I was done explaining and crying I popped some peach gum, and he said all I can smell is the gum. He asked to look at tongue and he said it looked normal, I asked to look at his, his really didint look normal, and he says he always has very awful morning breath. Then I was talking and he got right in my face and said all I smell is gum ( well isnt that the point I put it i my mouth). Like I said at first he was understanding, but after he axamined me it was like he started geting mad like I was lying or something. He said its not bad and its all in my head. He said it was probably bad when bad tooth was in and now I dont know how to let it go. He said I am probably obsessed with looking for reactions. And I said dad before I even mentioned my bb you were reacting by rubbing your nose, he said he had a cold. I told him its not in my head and it goes through my nose and I am part of a forum with many people that are going through this, It seemed like he got mad, he said leave those people alone and live your life theres nothing wrong with you
In his head he thinks this is some excuse Im making up because I v been so distant.
So knowing the title of this topic, I dont know what to think anymore, could it not be as bad as I think?
Im confused, I dont know anymore.
I know its bad not bad as before but bad. My mouth is always really hot even when I think its decent my car windows fog up really fast.
Alll I can do now is accept his invitations knowing I did warn him. So when I come to dinner and everyone is having sneezing attack then he'll believe me.
And even when I know Im not tasting shit people still react like whatever it is tickles their nose and throt
My sons speech therapist was over thursday and she kept clearing her throat every time I talked saying something is tickling her throat. WHAT THE ***k IS IT?
While my dad was here thinking I was making it up , I said to my son ( Son doesnt my breath stink most of the time) right in front of my dad he said no. So when my dad left I said why did you say no? He said because it doesnt stink all the time. Right then and there I covered my mouth and asked him if my nose stunk and he said yes. So Im kind of mad he made me look like a liar. And I am mad at my dad for first being supportive and then getting mad, but all the while rubbing his nose. Of course I am obsessed with looking for reactions. especially since my mouth lately doesnt even taste bad anymore, but if peole constantly rub and sneeze and cough as soon as I talk I am obviously not imagining things.
Maybe it has to do with the other person. I have 1 neighber who barely reacts , she rubs sometimes but never sneeze or cough and she actually talks to me alot, we have alot to talk about. But my neighbor on the other side of me, as soon as I walk ny her door she has a coughing attack,and shes inside Im outside, I know its me because it happens as soon as Im right in front of her door. When Im on my deck barbquing she closes her door.
So dad your not going to tell me its in my head, guess what I widh it was. But I know better
I am so ****ing tired, I didnt even brush last night. Im just ****ing tired
There are people who are more sensitive to smell than others. it sounds like one of your neighbor is very sensitive while the other is not.meowkity1 wrote:iM STARTING TO WONDER. mY DAD CAME BY A COLUPLE OF DAYS AGO, i HAD HE DOOR OPEN SO i COULDNT AVOID HOM, SO i BROKE DOWN CRYING EXPLAINING TO HIM WHY Iv been so distant. He was very understaning at first
He said there was a time he didnt have insurance had a bad tooth and got it pulled, he showed me it was the same ttooth as mines
He said he would try to help me any way he could, now I know my breath was bad I had just eaten beer bratwurst just before he came and it was bad before that. So although he was understanding at irst he changed. after I was done explaining and crying I popped some peach gum, and he said all I can smell is the gum. He asked to look at tongue and he said it looked normal, I asked to look at his, his really didint look normal, and he says he always has very awful morning breath. Then I was talking and he got right in my face and said all I smell is gum ( well isnt that the point I put it i my mouth). Like I said at first he was understanding, but after he axamined me it was like he started geting mad like I was lying or something. He said its not bad and its all in my head. He said it was probably bad when bad tooth was in and now I dont know how to let it go. He said I am probably obsessed with looking for reactions. And I said dad before I even mentioned my bb you were reacting by rubbing your nose, he said he had a cold. I told him its not in my head and it goes through my nose and I am part of a forum with many people that are going through this, It seemed like he got mad, he said leave those people alone and live your life theres nothing wrong with you
In his head he thinks this is some excuse Im making up because I v been so distant.
So knowing the title of this topic, I dont know what to think anymore, could it not be as bad as I think?
Im confused, I dont know anymore.
I know its bad not bad as before but bad. My mouth is always really hot even when I think its decent my car windows fog up really fast.
Alll I can do now is accept his invitations knowing I did warn him. So when I come to dinner and everyone is having sneezing attack then he'll believe me.
And even when I know Im not tasting shit people still react like whatever it is tickles their nose and throt
My sons speech therapist was over thursday and she kept clearing her throat every time I talked saying something is tickling her throat. WHAT THE ***k IS IT?
While my dad was here thinking I was making it up , I said to my son ( Son doesnt my breath stink most of the time) right in front of my dad he said no. So when my dad left I said why did you say no? He said because it doesnt stink all the time. Right then and there I covered my mouth and asked him if my nose stunk and he said yes. So Im kind of mad he made me look like a liar. And I am mad at my dad for first being supportive and then getting mad, but all the while rubbing his nose. Of course I am obsessed with looking for reactions. especially since my mouth lately doesnt even taste bad anymore, but if peole constantly rub and sneeze and cough as soon as I talk I am obviously not imagining things.
Maybe it has to do with the other person. I have 1 neighber who barely reacts , she rubs sometimes but never sneeze or cough and she actually talks to me alot, we have alot to talk about. But my neighbor on the other side of me, as soon as I walk ny her door she has a coughing attack,and shes inside Im outside, I know its me because it happens as soon as Im right in front of her door. When Im on my deck barbquing she closes her door.
So dad your not going to tell me its in my head, guess what I widh it was. But I know better
I am so ****ing tired, I didnt even brush last night. Im just ****ing tired
Remember, in times of stress our bb may get stronger, I'm sure we have all experienced this. When you are at the dinner table while everyone is eating and rubbing their noses, that is the true test of staying calm and controlling your nerves so your bb won't get the better of you.
IMO if you have less stress, your bb will become weaker, and again as we all have experienced the bb gets stronger with stress. That is the reason why keeping the chin up is a good tactic. The air below is not as pure as the air above.
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Meowkity,
How old is your son? No offence to you or your son, but getting close up to your nostril and asking him whether you smell IS NOT telling you whether you have BB or not.
Imagine if your odour is coming from your skin or your FACE or the exterior of your nostrils for example.
I'm not questioning whether its possible to have problems that can allow odours to come from the nose, because I know for a fact they can, but I'm questioning your situation specifically. Everyone except your son is telling you that your breath doesnt smell bad. Maybe the vicious circle you have created with your excessive measures at combating bad breath is actually what gives you occasional BB from the back of your tongue or your thoat that tends to end up eminating from your nose - i.e. Mouth dryness and more thickened coating than usual, microbial imbalances.
Go right back to the time that your BB started - A TOOTH which was left in place to rot for YEARS. You are underestimating the psychological toll this might have had on you. All those oral hygiene measures you now take might be feeding PURE MADNESS. Your dad might be absolutely right about not being able to let go and that you've become obsessed.
If you are convinced you smell bad then your mind is going to LOOK for everything it can to sustain this state of mind. Someone rubbing a nose or people sneezing or clearing a throat - YES they are gestures that people make when they become engulfed in a bad odour, but consider that even when people are in fresh air they still SNEEZE and COUGH and SPLUTTER but if your mind is LOOKING for these reactions then its GOING to find them and make its negative conclusions and associations.
Also, some people carry allergens around with them on their clothes, particularly if you happen to live in a home that has dampness and humidity or if you have pets - this can end up causing some serious paranoia.
How old is your son? No offence to you or your son, but getting close up to your nostril and asking him whether you smell IS NOT telling you whether you have BB or not.
Imagine if your odour is coming from your skin or your FACE or the exterior of your nostrils for example.
I'm not questioning whether its possible to have problems that can allow odours to come from the nose, because I know for a fact they can, but I'm questioning your situation specifically. Everyone except your son is telling you that your breath doesnt smell bad. Maybe the vicious circle you have created with your excessive measures at combating bad breath is actually what gives you occasional BB from the back of your tongue or your thoat that tends to end up eminating from your nose - i.e. Mouth dryness and more thickened coating than usual, microbial imbalances.
Go right back to the time that your BB started - A TOOTH which was left in place to rot for YEARS. You are underestimating the psychological toll this might have had on you. All those oral hygiene measures you now take might be feeding PURE MADNESS. Your dad might be absolutely right about not being able to let go and that you've become obsessed.
If you are convinced you smell bad then your mind is going to LOOK for everything it can to sustain this state of mind. Someone rubbing a nose or people sneezing or clearing a throat - YES they are gestures that people make when they become engulfed in a bad odour, but consider that even when people are in fresh air they still SNEEZE and COUGH and SPLUTTER but if your mind is LOOKING for these reactions then its GOING to find them and make its negative conclusions and associations.
Also, some people carry allergens around with them on their clothes, particularly if you happen to live in a home that has dampness and humidity or if you have pets - this can end up causing some serious paranoia.
Halitosisux my son is 10. I think mostly hes honest, and he has definately told me yes its bad when its bad.
I dont think its in my head.
When I asked hi why he said no is because I asked if my breath stinks all the time.
I wonder if its like my face or something.
My first real relationship, my sons father, he said I smelt like a hospital, I hadnt started working in hospitals yet. I wonder since Ive been constipated since basicly 6 or 7, maybe my body is toxic and I just stink. Like I said before, its like people being alergic to you even when you think your at your finest point, as far as breath. I m just done
I dont think its in my head.
When I asked hi why he said no is because I asked if my breath stinks all the time.
I wonder if its like my face or something.
My first real relationship, my sons father, he said I smelt like a hospital, I hadnt started working in hospitals yet. I wonder since Ive been constipated since basicly 6 or 7, maybe my body is toxic and I just stink. Like I said before, its like people being alergic to you even when you think your at your finest point, as far as breath. I m just done
If you haven`t taken an oral chroma test yet then I suggest you should. The 3 most common cause(volatile sulfur compounds) of bb will be diagnosed properly. Don`t take a halimeter test cuz` its got a lot of flaws & should be phased out.
If you pass the test then have your amines tested next as they are the other causes of odors in humans. Take advantage of the technology available & maybe you could find the source of your bb.
If you pass the test then have your amines tested next as they are the other causes of odors in humans. Take advantage of the technology available & maybe you could find the source of your bb.
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Good point jc - this is a way to find out for sure.
Meowkity have you had full medical evaluations? such as liver functioning, kidneys, immunological & thyroid tests etc. Problems in these areas can cause the weirdest things to happen with regard to body chemistry. Also simple straightforward tests like helicobacter which *EVERYONE* with BB needs to rule out cos amazingly there are still those on here who havent.
Meowkity have you had full medical evaluations? such as liver functioning, kidneys, immunological & thyroid tests etc. Problems in these areas can cause the weirdest things to happen with regard to body chemistry. Also simple straightforward tests like helicobacter which *EVERYONE* with BB needs to rule out cos amazingly there are still those on here who havent.
Everyone IS different.
I just went to the doctor for Pulmonary (lung) tests (which came out ok along with a chest exam) and he admitted to not detecting the smell. He was older probably in his late 60s, and had a stench to his own breath, but a normal older person stench. He also said his sense of smell wasn't that good. However, he was backing up and pinching his nose, looking uncomfortable. I believed him. I think people react differently to BB, some might not smell it but are otherwise irritated by it.
But anyway the doctor was SO thorough, he asked every question he could think of, he was interested in my entire history, he kept asking questions, while usually the doctor tries to get my stinky ass out their office asap. It was great, and he assured me that more than likely the suspect was reflux or erosive esophagus. He said I had some PND, which I never felt or noticed, but well thats that.
I've come to the conclusion that people will react differently. I recently saw my little nephews and when they saw me, they instantly put their shirts over their noses, but their father (my bro) acted like he didn't smell anything. His wife rolled down the window in the car next to me LOL.
Last week I was waiting in line and this guy was talking to his wife, and his breath smelled like complete total fresh sh*t. It was so sour and bad, I wanted to keep looking at him for his behavior, but he was oblivious, as was the person speaking directly to him face to face.
I just went to the doctor for Pulmonary (lung) tests (which came out ok along with a chest exam) and he admitted to not detecting the smell. He was older probably in his late 60s, and had a stench to his own breath, but a normal older person stench. He also said his sense of smell wasn't that good. However, he was backing up and pinching his nose, looking uncomfortable. I believed him. I think people react differently to BB, some might not smell it but are otherwise irritated by it.
But anyway the doctor was SO thorough, he asked every question he could think of, he was interested in my entire history, he kept asking questions, while usually the doctor tries to get my stinky ass out their office asap. It was great, and he assured me that more than likely the suspect was reflux or erosive esophagus. He said I had some PND, which I never felt or noticed, but well thats that.
I've come to the conclusion that people will react differently. I recently saw my little nephews and when they saw me, they instantly put their shirts over their noses, but their father (my bro) acted like he didn't smell anything. His wife rolled down the window in the car next to me LOL.
Last week I was waiting in line and this guy was talking to his wife, and his breath smelled like complete total fresh sh*t. It was so sour and bad, I wanted to keep looking at him for his behavior, but he was oblivious, as was the person speaking directly to him face to face.
Trimethylamine is the most common amine to cause odor(TMAU) & I think it`s also the smelliest.It`s a chemical compound produced by bad bacterias in the gut which cannot be oxidized if a person lacks the fmo3 enzyme. In primary tmau a person have bo & sometimes both bb & bo. A secondary tmau only develop bad breath.meowkity1 wrote:I am not sure I understand amines, is there anyone that could explain it and how it could relate to bad breath.
a TMAU choline test is not that accurate so you may want to inquire about new gene tests.
IMO, the oral chroma test is the most logical & practical test for everyone with bb. It`s a lot cheaper than a tmau test & very accurate.