Open letter to keeptrying09

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:04 am

Look, I am concerned, we had many people like keep trying before, they promoted some useless mouthwash, probiotics, and later found out they are a spammer, I will allow you to help people, but I need the list of prices you are selling the anti fungals on my site.

If you don't do that, I will have to let you go, I hope you understand. I don't want somebody to push drugs here on my site that is not a doctor, and I don't know if he is doing it for helping only or for making money.

So please give me a list of drugs you are selling from Thailand, because I want to check them in the drugstore too.

If you come up with some bs and say oh Jimi don't want to help people, that is just your game you are playing, I need evidence that you really want to help, otherwise you cannot push drugs here.

Hope you understand.

And another thing, you said you don't want to meet me in person because I am such a horrible person, but this is another sign you probably never had a BB, because you just don't realize how people with BB suffer. I really doubt you had chronic BB.

guzler · Post by **guzler** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:58 pm

jimi i think you don;t want people to find a cure you arer always chasing people who want to help others just like what you did with ocean side and so on on you want people to suffer and come to this site and you are concerned more about the money than anything else you are a gold digger that is what you are

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:15 pm

Yes and when somebody gets sick and i will have to go to court I will be very happy. It is easy for you to say I am gold digger, you don't have any expenses with this site, I have.

And if you donated anything I can give it back to you, if you hate me so much. How dare you call me gold digger. The guy is not a doctor. This may be illegal, do you think the guy will talk with police if something bad happens? No he don't even want to meet me because he will scram as soon as something goes wrong.

Go to your doctor and he will prescribe meds for you, I am really thinking to put a stop to this thing, soon people will start selling other shitty stuff, and the guy is obviously a scam, he even wanted to buy this site from me.

If he does not give me a price list I will stop this nonsense. I don't want a penny from him, but I will not allow him earning big bucks from people suffering.

THis is my final decision. I am still the owner of this site. I have to take responsibility, where do you see people selling meds like this? Are you insane? I allow selling natural stuff, but serious meds, no ****ing way.

Is everybody here lost their mind, everybody wants to try and we dont have not even 1 proven case.

Keeptrying if you dont give me a list delete all you links in footer and deal with people with pm. I don't want you mentioning selling drugs here anymore.

corrin · Post by **corrin** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:17 pm

I understand your concerns. I would raise the same questions if i were the owner of a site and someone was selling prescriptions drugs. HOWEVER, i personally do not believe theat keeptrying is a fraud. He is obviously just trying to help people on this forum overcome bad breath the way he was able to. I have seen him on another site called Curezone and he also gave advice to people on that forum. All I am trying to say is that he is being genuine and I think I can say that most of the members who have read keeptrying's comments in this forum are thankful that he is giving advice and willing to help.

Another reason why I do not think he is fraud is that he is selling the antifungals and antibiotics for really cheap. So even if he is a fraud, it is not like we are putting a "whole in our pockets" by buying the drugs from him. I would think that a fraud would charge more for such drugs, especially since he is offering them to us in a manner that it alot easier than going to the doctore, begging for a prescription, and ultimately paying a high price for them.
My last point it this; do you believe in signs? What if keeptrying was meant to be cured so he could guide us to our remedie? And how do you expect anyone in this forum to obtain the help they need when you think that a person who has actually probably been cured is a scam? It just seems a little contradicting.

NOTANYMORE · Post by **NOTANYMORE** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:21 pm

KABOOOMMM!!!

Just kidding. You had to know this was going to happen. People are extremely desperate on this site (and I can't blame them) and are willing to try anything......assuming it works.

The problem I see is that THESE MEDICATIONS ONLY WORK IF YOU TRULY HAVE A YEAST INFECTION and I have not seen anyone come back and say "I HAVE BEEN CURED BY THESE PRESCRIPTION ANT-FUNGALS" In fact, I have combed over the posts pertaining to such medications and all I can see is negative side affects. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND GOOGLE ORAL YEAST INFECTION.........yeah, your mouth doesn't look like that or you'd have seen a doctor long ago.

That being said, I think KEEPTRYING is a good person and wants to help. If he makes a little money, well, surely he had to go buy the stuff and take the time to mail it, so why shouldn't he? And If you are crazy enough to brake international drug laws, disregard your health, take medical advice from a random stranger, etc....then you SHOULD pay extra for being extra careless!

I know the bad breath gurus on this site will flame me and tell me how naive I am and how these drugs are safe and on and on......but you know what? No one is cured by these drugs and all any of us have is theories as to the rest.

So before you give yourself a strawberry and milk enema or stop eating everything but celery and cardboard for 6 months.......go see a doctor!

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:21 pm

Look, I have a big responsibility on this site, I dont even know if it is legal to buy drugs like that, I know in my country for sure you can't just go and buy antifungals. Now you are all acting like I am a big jerk but when the trouble are gonna come, I will be the target of this circus.

Yes I can not take this anymore, I am not a lawyer, I am not sure if this is legal, but I have to be responsible, people here do whatever somebody tells them, even though there is only 1 case that the antifungals helped.

From now on, you can contact keeptrying through pm, you can talk about your experiece, but no more talking about I want to order this, I want to order that. Keeptrying you also delete your marketing links and people should contact you to order exclusive through pm if they are so stupid. I don't want to see a pharmacy from a non doctor being opened on my site.

Sorry, I see many people try everything, next new stuff will be eating gasoline, because somebody was cured or something.

I know that ***k from the past oceanside, who promoted one mouthwash, and it was just a marketing scam. And so many people fell for it. And also keeptrying I am still waiting for a list what you sell and for how much, I dont mind you earn a little money a side but I think you dont see what you are doing here. There is not even 1 proven case that this stuff worked. Get me 1, and at least 20 or more people tried it.

Same with vitamin C, pulling out teeth and other crap for god sake.

DrMel · Post by **DrMel** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:23 am

Jimi, you are such a loser! I'm so tired of you and your attitude towards people who try to help each other on this page. keeptrying09 is the most helpful member that you have. Get a life! Wish that he should have been admin instead of you. Loser.

exume · Post by **exume** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:33 am

I agree Jimi hey member you cant just tell people use some of these products some people are so willing to find a cure they might harm themselves by using random products you are telling them to use

Renato · Post by **Renato** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:02 am

It has been long time since some people in this site have started using antifungals, so is there any one who has been cure beside keeptrying?.

Perhaps the possibility of having candida infection is lower than having anaerobic bacteria(which exist as normal flora, but overgrown in some persons due to any conditions already discussed here).

Metronidazol, an antifungal also kill anaerobic bacteria, so we should be careful when interpreting the results.

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:04 am

DrMel, first of all what is with the nick, are you doctor or you want to be a doctor like keeptrying?

You can stay away from the site if you dont like it, I just want best for people, there is nobody who was cured from antifungals on this site and that can testify. Not even one person beside keeptrying, so that can keep you wonder.

Everything is shady, he knows too much about antifungals, the doctor he visited in hospital suddenly dissapeared, I wanted to go to her, but he say she is not working there anymore, that is really anusual for doctors to dissapear this way. He does not want to meet me for a cup of coffee. He does not want to give me his phone number. I just want to check out this guy who is opening pharmacy on my site. That is all, and at the same time protect people from this nonsense.

DrMel if you want to pop pills, be my guest, go ahead, but tell your doctor to prescribe you the pills.

hopeful · Post by **hopeful** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:01 am

I'm one of those people who bought the flagyl and biozole (anti-fungal) from KeepTrying09. I've communicated with him a few times via email and he does not seem shady in anyway (like it is being insinuated here).

First thing I want to make very clear is that whatever profit he is making, it is SLIM. He charges a flat rate for express shipping (which is more than standard shipping but I was impatient) and when the package arrived, he actually LOST MONEY on sending it to me. I've been to Thailand before and when I converted the Thai Baht shipping to US dollars, he didn't charge me enough.

Secondly, I've tried to get the same meds from my doctor here and no way was she even interested in my theory (based on lack of understanding of bad breath). I went to one of the many Canadian pharmacy websites and though all of them sold the flagyl, it would've cost MUCH MORE than what KeepTrying charged AND I would've needed a prescription (which I couldn't get).

Thirdly, I'm done with my course of flagyl and have a few days left on the anti-fungals. I've had a few MINOR side effects and have had more severe reactions from supplements (which I could buy at any store at the mall). I'm an adult who did her research and decided to take a chance. Any problems I may face IS MY RESPONSIBILITY and MY LIABILITY. I accepted ANY RISKS as soon as I paid for them.

Jimi, I don't know why KeepTrying is unwilling to meet you in person. I do find that a bit odd as this meeting would seem to reassure you of his intentions. I hope you two work out your issues so we can get back to finding solutions for our problems.

hopeful · Post by **hopeful** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:04 am

Jimi, I forgot to say that I can see your concerns as he is using your site to promote the drugs. As owner of this site, you are entitled to know what is going on. I hope you two can meet up soon and resolve things.

Post by **Jimi Stein** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:05 am

It is not the problem with him earning the money, but I dont know him, this is my site, I feel responsible. Many people here will just try anything. From now on contact him through pm, no selling on the site please. you can describe your experience after buying but no talking about buying and selling.

hopeful · Post by **hopeful** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:42 am

Your request is a difficult one for me to understand because for someone like me, there is NO WAY for me to get the drugs. I would love to hop on a plane to Thailand to see a doctor and get the drugs but that is not realistic. I feel like I would basically be denying myself an opportunity to find a cure (and I think other people feel the same if they have difficulty in their own countries seeing a doctor to get the prescription).

Is there some compromise you two can work out?

Imagine this scenario Jimi:
Someone who has tried almost everything comes to your site. They read about my experiences or someone else's experiences on the drugs and want to try them (of course they have to weigh the risks). After researching all the side effects, they decide they want to try the drugs and go and see their doctor but their doctor says "no way." So this person ends up always wondering if these drugs would've helped them. I can see this situation happening and it makes me sad that they won't have anywhere to turn because they have no way to attain the drugs.

I just feel there can be a solution. At least for things like Vitamin C (which like you I bought), wisdom teeth removal (which I also did), and other previous "cures" (like mouthwashes, baking soda, etc) we could buy easily if we wanted. Hopefully there is a compromise somewhere down the road...

KeepTrying09 · Post by **KeepTrying09** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:37 pm

Hey Everyone,

First off, I just wanted to say thank you to those that have sent me messages of support, either on this thread or though e-mail. It was quite a few so I just wanted to thank you all here and let you know that it is much appreciated.

Secondly, to those who don't support me or agree with anything I say, I still say thank you. I completely believe that debate is not only beneficial, but a healthy process in which knowledge is the ultimate result. Without debate there would be no knowledge, so I respect and welcome everyone's opinions, even those who might disagree with me.

Third, I fully recognize that this is Jimi's site, and therefore he has the right to mange it however he sees fit. I am not challenging his authority in the slightest. Whatever he decides I will cooperate. I may not agree with his decisions, but since I am a member of his forum I must follow whatever rules he sets.

Jimi, let me address your comments one by one.

Jimi wrote:I don't know if he is doing it for helping only or for making money.

Very easy answer, the only reason I came to this forum and shared my story was to help people. I joined this forum on November 15th. Don't you think people asked me immediately if I could send them the same medicine I took? Of course they did. Originally I refused when people asked (you can ask both Snobuni and Archimonde. They both asked me and I initially refused). But every time I said no to someone I felt like I was doing them a disservice because I know how difficult it is to get doctors to go along with this treatment once you mention bad breath to them. I've already quoted comments over in the Metro/Fluco thread from people on this forum who could not get their doctors to cooperate, and I'm sure I could get a whole lot more than the comments I quoted. So again, to answer your question, I'm here to help people.

Jimi wrote:If you come up with some bs and say oh Jimi don't want to help people, that is just your game you are playing, I need evidence that you really want to help, otherwise you cannot push drugs here.

I'm not playing any games. It's just that other than creating and maintaining this forum, from looking through the majority of the posts you've made throughout the years, I question your methods of helping people. And how exactly can I prove to you that I want to help people? What do you consider acceptable posts for someone who is trying to help vs. someone who is trying to spam?

Push my drugs here...Gesh, you make it sound like I am selling heroin. If I were "pushing drugs" as you put it, my writings here would be different. If I were "pushing drugs" I would post some nonsense like "What I'm saying will cure everyone", or "Everyone can try it, it is 100% safe", etc. I've never written stuff like because I know that kind of talk is nothing but garbage. I've said it to you many times Jimi, but actually read my posts and you will see that I am not "pushing" these medications on people. Again, I make no guarantee that it will work, and I don't try to convince people to buy it if they don't want to. If people want to try it it's up to them.

Jimi wrote:And another thing, you said you don't want to meet me in person because I am such a horrible person, but this is another sign you probably never had a BB, because you just don't realize how people with BB suffer. I really doubt you had chronic BB.

I didn't say I didn't want to meet you because you were a horrible person, I said I didn't want to meet you because you were a negative person. I genuinely have no time in my life for people who are negative. Perhaps if our very first conversation (and all subsequent conversations) had been better then I would think differently, but in your very first message you ever wrote me you called me a spammer, and then in your second message you called me an asshole...Why would I want to meet someone like that? Would you?

You really think the reason I don't want to meet you is a sign that I never had bad breath? That just reinforces my opinion that you are generally negative and distrustful. You're basically calling me a liar. Anyway, I don't have to prove myself to you Jimi. If you want to believe I never had bad breath then that's your issue. Of course your wrong though. I suffered with bad breath for more than half my life. But I can never prove that to you Jimi because I'm not able to time travel (and I wouldn't want to anyway, living with bad breath was bad enough the first time around). So ultimately you will believe whatever you want to believe.

guzler wrote:and you are concerned more about the money than anything else you are a gold digger that is what you are

Jimi wrote:It is easy for you to say I am gold digger, you don't have any expenses with this site, I have.

And if you donated anything I can give it back to you, if you hate me so much. How dare you call me gold digger.

I think Guzler has a valid question. You ask people to donate to your site. You say that it costs 250 euros per month to maintain (although that number has jumped around several times). I think if people are going to donate to something they have a right to know what exactly their money is going towards. All organizations that accept donations usually have to make public how the money is being used when asked.

Jimi wrote:I allow selling natural stuff, but serious meds, no ****ing way.

Really? Why is it when I posted my thread about probiotics you removed it, called me a spammer, and said that you don't allow people to sell crap products on your site. By the way, I wasn't even selling probiotics, I just posted that thread as information. And didn't someone say that you banned some guy from selling mouthwash? Maybe you should clearly state some rules for the forum so that people will have a better understanding of your expectations in regards to this subject.

Jimi wrote:soon people will start selling other shitty stuff, and the guy is obviously a scam, he even wanted to buy this site from me.

Ok, so that's one more time you've called me a scam...And you still wonder why I have no desire to meet you. Also, what products do you consider a scam and what do you consider valid? You say that you will allow people to sell natural stuff, and then you say that all the natural stuff is crap and a scam, so i'm confused here. And you think that prescriptions medications are a scam? Come on, billions of dollars in research just to get one medication to the market and you think it's a scam?

The only reason I offered to take over this site from you is because you constantly threaten people that you will have to shut it down soon if you do not collect enough donations per month. You also said that this website has gotten so big that your hosting company is no longer backing up the information on it. Of course I offered to take over your site.....This site is without a doubt the best website on the internet in regards to bad breath. If all the information here is lost simply because you cannot afford to maintain it, then of course I would want to buy it from you. I can't even begin to tell you the travesty it would be if this website were lost. Do you even realize how many people rely on your website? If you had to shut it down, would you even feel anything? If you ever did have to shut it down, I would pray that you sold it to someone who is willing to continue with it.

Jimi wrote:Is everybody here lost their mind, everybody wants to try and we dont have not even 1 proven case.

Ummmm, I am 1 proven case. Do you mean you want 1 additional proven case?

Jimi wrote:Keeptrying if you dont give me a list delete all you links in footer and deal with people with pm. I don't want you mentioning selling drugs here anymore.

Done, I won't mention anything anymore about it on the public forum. And the links in my signature are just my Instant Messaging Screen Names, so that if anyone wants to chat with me quicker they can. They are not marketing links as you put it. This forum allows for Instant Messaging Screen Names to be added to our user profiles. Would you prefer that I add the IM screen names in there?

jimi wrote:people should contact you to order exclusive through pm if they are so stupid.........Sorry, I see many people try everything, next new stuff will be eating gasoline, because somebody was cured or something.

So you are calling people who try anti fungals/antibiotics to cure their bad breath stupid? So all the people who have had their wisdom teeth removed are stupid? All the people who have had their tonsils removed are stupid? All the people who have tried multi vitamins, multi minerals, probiotics, or any other natural supplements are stupid? All the people who have tried therabreath, breathrx, or any other dental products are stupid? Because you've said all of those are crap as well.

If someone drank gasoline they would not be cured, they would be dead. Your analogy is insulting.

Jimi wrote:I think you dont see what you are doing here. There is not even 1 proven case that this stuff worked. Get me 1, and at least 20 or more people tried it.

I see exactly what I am doing here. I am giving people the option to try the one thing that finally worked for me. Again, you always talk as if there were only 1 cure for bad breath. There is no 1 magic bullet cure for bad breath. I wish it were that easy. The person who invents that product is going to be the savior to many people around the world. And again, I am 1 proven case.

Jimi wrote:DrMel, first of all what is with the nick, are you doctor or you want to be a doctor like keeptrying?

If I wanted to be a doctor I would have gone to medical school.

Jimi wrote:Everything is shady, he knows too much about antifungals

It's called google Jimi....It's amazing the information you can find from it.

Jimi wrote:the doctor he visited in hospital suddenly dissapeared, I wanted to go to her, but he say she is not working there anymore, that is really anusual for doctors to dissapear this way.

It's unusual for doctors to move or be transferred to a different hospital? Really? Anyway, I gave you her name a long time ago and I'm sure she still works in Bangkok somewhere (If not Bangkok then somewhere in Thailand perhaps). I told you already I was diagnosed and treated at BNH hospital. I'm sure if you go there and ask they can tell you which hospital she is working in now. Maybe she even came back...who knows. It was a long time ago when I asked. Make sure you go to the gastroenterological department. It's on the second floor, go up the elevator and turn right, it's the first department directly in front of you (there's a big sign on the wall, you can't miss it). And just tell them that you wanted to see the same doctor as me, and if they could provide you with any information it'd be greatly appreciated.

Whew, anyway my fingers are tired now......

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