Zinc & Rinse

[halitosisux]

Hi Aydinmur, I can give you some feedback on this. When I first heard of zinc's effectiveness many years ago, just out of curiousity I tried chewing a zinc citrate daily supplement tablet allowing it dissolve over my tongue and I was so amazed at its effect - probably better than anything I'd ever tried. This would last for many hours until new unaffected bacteria takes over. The only downside was a strange taste, like i'd just eaten an egg. But I know that was only a taste perception because during this time the odour on my tongue was greatly reduced. i dont know whether other types of zinc would have been more effective because I never tried any other types. I stopped using this after a while because of the altered taste in my mouth.

[NOTANYMORE]

Hello,

My morning breath disappeared after using "Smarthmouth Mouthwash". I still use it, even though I am "cured". I think it uses a zinc delivery system as it's main property. Anyway, it works.

[KeepTrying09]

A long time ago I used to use this mouthwash and toothpaste called Oxyfresh. The mouthwash was a zinc based mouthwash. They also had one with Zinc and Lemon, as they said lemon was pretty good at helping to alleviate bad breath.

It didn't really help me, but then again my bb wasn't orally related....Maybe it would help some people whose bb was orally related though.

[Renato]

What is better, hydrogen peroxide or zinc based mouth washes?.

[halitosisux]

aydinmur, I would like to ask your opinion on something. Since BB for most people is level 1 - excessive bacterial activity on the tongue dorsum - if there was a way to reduce this down to a level that would bring odour below the threshold of perceptibility, then the problem would be effectively cured.

So far, the only thing that comes anywhere remotely close to achieving this (for some) is the use of antibiotics. But we all know that antibiotics are not the permanent solution, and we know why. Modern oral hygiene practices, scraping and mouthwashes etc are also quite effective, albeit only until odour starts to build up again, which for most people is about 20 minutes (so almost not worth bothering with).

Now, people wear braces and all kinds of orthodontic devices without too much fuss. I've mentioned this before on here, but as an oral microbiologist, I am wondering if there could be a way to produce a simple device that clips into place obscurely like a small brace, containing a small replaceable tablet (will come to that in a moment) that serves the function of subtlely and safely reducing bacterial levels throughout the day in a slow release controlled manner.

What makes this essentially different to other measures is that it isnt relying on the lasting effects a single-hit measure, such as a mouthwash does. Some people chew gum all day purely because it helps with saliva flow and flushing effect. But gum is sometimes unnacceptable (interviews, intimacy etc) leaving the person exposed.

I have no clue what the tablet could be comprised of. Maybe some kind of zinc or silver? I hear all the time what natural products exist that work wonders against bacteria, fungus and odours etc. Surely there has to be a way to do this. I know if something like this existed while I needed it, I'd have killed for one.

In my teens when I used to have girlfriends I'd keep a piece of gum inside my cheek, and some of them used to realise this and they thought I was deranged. But even people who dont have BB use mouthwashes and measures to prevent bad breath, and something like this brace could catch on and become standard for everyone who wants to feel confident about their breath. Whoever could make such a thing successful could also get rather wealthy in the process.

I know its not the most ideal solution, but its a small price to pay to have your life back.

[halitosisux]

I wish I could understand the Turkish language because a lot of your links look very interesting. I've never come across any research like this electrical device before. Fascinating to think that such a tiny electric current can have such an effect when scraping torching grinding stabbing the tongue doesnt make a dent on things for very long.

Such a lateral approach to solving this problem was more or less what I was thinking. When I mentioned tablets, I was thinking something that releases silver (for example) in an electrolytic way, or a chemistry that releases tiny amounts of hydrogen peroxide, but enough to bring the bacteria under control. Or even an antibacterial agent that simply dissolves slowly throughout the day, to be replaced daily or every few days. Or even HF Radio which wouldnt require direct contact with the tongue, a bit like the blue LEDs but without needing to be placed directly over the tongue surface. Ultrasonics too, like certain toothbrushes use to knock out debris and bacteria.

Do you know of anything that is being developed? I wish I knew more about microbiology to know what's possible.

[halitosisux]

Interesting that you say Type 1 cases are rare. Does this mean then, as in my own case with a wisdom tooth producing a foulness that caused my tongue to smell bad, that there is usually a source of odour other than the bacteria which reside within the tongue's surface?

The sinuses for instance, or the tonsils/adenoids.

Are type 1 cases usually because of the physical structure of the tongue? Such as the depth of the papillae? Or is there much more to it than that?

[hoping]

Hi, Aydinmur

Is there any supplement that can lessen the odor from Type 4 Halitosis? For instance, activated charcoal and chlorophyll? If yes, what is the best time to take activated charcoal and chlorophyll? For instance, right before meal/ right after meal/ in between meals?

Thanks.

[halitosisux]

Aydinmur, thankyou for the detailed reply. Lots to think about. My interpretation of what you are basically trying to explain is that in type 1 cases, once any abnormal situation is resolved (such as a dental problem) the microbial ecology will always return to normal, leading to the subject no longer having what would be considered to be a halitosis problem.

This sounds exactly what happened in my case. Also, even before I had any wisdom teeth issues, my oral hygiene was very much neglected and I think that's why I had BB during this time. I think some people (including myself) are simply more susceptible to a given situation to end up having BB. This, I think, is why some people can get away with neglecting their teeth and never seem to have BB.

I will have a closer read of your silver anode abscess treatment tomorrow. It looks very interesting.

[halitosisux]

Aydinmur, How feasible would it be to create a device that works in a similar way to your silver anode abscess treatment to continuously release enough silver into the whole mouth, in order to bring anaerobic bacterial activity under control?

Am I correct in assuming that the silver anode system releases silver which is the same process as that used to create colloidal silver?

Would it be safe to continually have such a system in place where the assumed colloidal silver is being continuously ingested? As far as I am aware, with colloidal silver made from pure silver there is no danger of the skin turning grey or any danger of toxicity.

Also, would a small piece of silver held inside the mouth have any antibacterial properties? What about Zinc?

[halitosisux]

Thanks for your reply.
I found this basic information about silver and how it probably relates to the projects you are working on.

"Silver and silver compounds have an oligodynamic effect and are toxic for bacteria, algae, and fungi in vitro. The oligodynamic effect is typical for heavy metals like lead and mercury, but, among the elements that have this effect, silver is the least toxic for humans. It is established that the antibacterial action of silver is dependent on the silver ion. The effectiveness of silver compounds as an antiseptic is based on the ability of the biologically active silver ion (Ag+) to irreversibly damage key enzyme systems in the cell membranes of pathogens.

It has long been known that the antibacterial action of silver is enhanced by the presence of an electric field. Applying a few volts of electricity across silver electrodes drastically enhances the rate that bacteria in solution are killed. It has been discovered that the antibacterial action of silver electrodes is greatly improved if the electrodes are covered with silver nanorods."

My laptop keyboard is coated with a layer of nanosilver particles. Apparently its impossible for any bacteria to grow on there.

[br]

Dear frends,
Zinc compounds are very powerful guns for Type 1 halitosis. However, there is no good formulation belong zinc containing rinses.

I need your experiences about zinc containing rinses.

Murat,
Can you please tell me what toothpaste I can get in London, which contains zinc. Many Thanks

[Jimi Stein]

Interesting, welcome to our site man, at least somebody is trying simething, besides drug pushers nothing is really new here

[Jimi Stein]

I was thinking what about the divice that sprays ozone directly to the tongue, that should help I think

[hoping]

Hi, Aydinmur

Would type 4 halitosis be eliminated by drinking a lot of ozonated water on a daily basis?