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Bad gut flora as a cause for BB?

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:04 pm
by foxhound
In the main German forum for BB, over the last year it became quite popular to check the gut flora because two or three people got cured by a redevelopment of their gut flora. They took some things to kill the bad bacteria like Clostridium species and then they got probiotics and autovaccines for the redevelopment. The others who tried this didn´t have success but it is possible that the medicaton in that cases wasn´t specific enough.

Are there people here who tried that gut redevelopment?

Re: Bad gut flora as a cause for BB?

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:26 pm
by Ruben
foxhound wrote:In the main German forum for BB, over the last year it became quite popular to check the gut flora because two or three people got cured by a redevelopment of their gut flora. They took some things to kill the bad bacteria like Clostridium species and then they got probiotics and autovaccines for the redevelopment. The others who tried this didn´t have success but it is possible that the medicaton in that cases wasn´t specific enough.

Are there people here who tried that gut redevelopment?
Do you have link to the forum?

Re: Bad gut flora as a cause for BB?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:20 am
by aues
Ruben wrote:Do you have link to the forum?
It's one huge thread:
http://www.med1.de/Forum/Zahnmedizin/116804/338/
The guy who succeeded in defeating his bad breath after altering his gut flora is "Huber (geheilt)".

I am not sure about the gut flora as being the direct reason for his bad breath problem, but I am quite sure that this guy had a real bad breath problem for decades and that he was (after a lot of failed attempts in doing so) finally able to solve it with what he did.

In Germany there are some laboratories like "Labor L+S AG" that count the amount of some bacteria species in the stool of the patient. The idea is that certain bacteria species should be represented in a certain range.

Re: Bad gut flora as a cause for BB?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:47 am
by Ruben
aues wrote:
Ruben wrote:Do you have link to the forum?
It's one huge thread:
http://www.med1.de/Forum/Zahnmedizin/116804/338/
The guy who succeeded in defeating his bad breath after altering his gut flora is "Huber (geheilt)".

I am not sure about the gut flora as being the direct reason for his bad breath problem, but I am quite sure that this guy had a real bad breath problem for decades and that he was (after a lot of failed attempts in doing so) finally able to solve it with what he did.

In Germany there are some laboratories like "Labor L+S AG" that count the amount of some bacteria species in the stool of the patient. The idea is that certain bacteria species should be represented in a certain range.
Thanks, i'll read it throught google translate later on, i'm reading another german forum right now. Wow, this thing is a worldwide problem.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:55 pm
by foxhound
Maybe Dr. Aydin has something to say about that?

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:22 am
by Larc400
This is what's popularly called SIBO (Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth), ie when the small intestine has abnormally high counts of bacteria, and the small intestinal flora is similar to the colonic flora.

Which antibiotic did the German use? I've ordered Rifaximin and will try that, plus probiotics.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:26 am
by aues
Larc400 wrote:This is what's popularly called SIBO (Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth), ie when the small intestine has abnormally high counts of bacteria, and the small intestinal flora is similar to the colonic flora.

Which antibiotic did the German use? I've ordered Rifaximin and will try that, plus probiotics.
So you want to take antibiotics even without at least doing a stool test before? Unfortunately I don't know if there are laboratories in your country that perform such a stool test.

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:04 pm
by snow
i just might visit germany to do this test! i belive this is our number one reason! :!:

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:08 pm
by aues
snow wrote:i just might visit germany to do this test! i belive this is our number one reason! :!:
I called L+S AG (brand name "enterosan") and asked if they could send me the needed things for a stool test. Usually they won't do it without a doctor, but in my case I said that my doctor is on holiday and said to me some days before I should do such a test if I think it might help with my problem.

Not sure to which countrys they ship the tools for the test. But maybe you could ask and commit to pay additional shipping fees, it's worth a try:
http://www.labor-ls.de/index.php?option ... 99&lang=en

And I think I can recall that huber wrote that he thinks his problem would have been partly caused by the tonsils. So if you still got your tonils I would strongly recommend to have them taken out before you start looking for assumedly reasons we don't know much about.