Bad Breath Halitosis Forum

Here is how I view it: bb provokes high emotional peaks. Anger, sadness, shame, isolation, guiltiness. It weakens critical mind, we rely less on logic and rationality, which is not the best for our case: for the moment there is ironically not an awareness movement because bb sufferers have hard time structuring real time action and relying onto each other, I observe isolated actions, ideas, some of them converge, but it's a minority. I know that most doctors don't care, don't know, etc etc. But on a rational point of view, it doesn't change the fact that I have BB and that it is not the best strategy to go from point A to point B.

So, I have halitosis, if I am precise:
-white tongue
-post nasal drip, sometimes I do have sinus ache.
-Went to a gastroboy, according to him, nothing special, he gave me some anti acid for 3 months, it was better.
-Sometimes when I eat, I have a hard time swallowing the food, as if stayed stuck in the middle of my throat.
-I've had several times burps with some acid saliva (I'd say it better in french, the thing you feel when you have vomited, the bad taste).
-On a regular basis, on my left throat I have an inflammation.
-Heartburn, I think it is not strictly a heart burn in the classical meaning, but the pain radiating from intestinal world.
-Behind my teeth, in bad shape, as if they were attacked by acid (yellow brownish, not severe, would be unnoticed on a normal person. But very strange, regarding the fact that as everyone of us, I have very good oral hygiene).
-No wisdom teeth, I never had and never will.
-My father has halitosis, doesn't have wisdom teeth neither.
-Sometimes, gum (edit, addendum: gum not gut) bleeding brushing my teeth, I don't brush them in a nervous way.
-More than once a week, teeth pain.
-Often, my head skin scratchs, as my palateb.
-I have noticed sometimes that when I wake up, food is like stuck somewhere in my stomach and suddenly it's as if it was reprocessing digestion. Very bad odor, like rotten food. Gazes are foul.
-My feces are not regular,on a odor perspective sometimes quite good, sometimes horrible, I think I can correlate it with food. But it's hypothetical, not scientific.
-When I took anti acid, my tongue was much more "normal".
-During this period I was not very aware about food coherence, morever I minimized the importance of being analytical with the thing I eat, even it can be for a sure a big issue.
-Fecal smell, specially nose (variable, like an explosion that comes without telling it comes, it's not reccurent, at least I don't think so).
-Edit, addendum: Sometimes, intense dry coughing.
-Edit, addendum: Dry mouth, other times, normal flow of saliva.
-Edit, addendum: Before my anti acid treatment, I had in the region of the colon very regular pain, now I have the impression that it is more intermittent.


That gives some hypothesis:
Candida, intestinal dysbiosis, teeth problem (I don't know what!), I have a issue with acid, a possibility is that it comes and make pnd super strong and sticky and making my tongue white.
Edit, addendum: I think I have a digestive weakness, maybe a lack a digestive enzymes.

P.S: I will never give up, my IQ is far too high and I am far too upset and stubborn to get depressed (I was for collateral reasons, I do a psychotherapy, I think it makes me much more confident even if I still don't have the courage to talk about it but I progress.)

I want to promote a systematic and logical approach, I will give each and every day what I ate and how was my BB. We must change our perspective, stop whining about doctors and getting the stuff done. Awareness doesn't come with crying, even though I completely respect that and sometimes I get depressed. But it's not the answer, staying strong is a must have to get it. I know I can seem pedantic sometimes, I honestly respect people who are here, I have seen smart people (and some dumb one too!), I see potential and hope. Don't get misled or threatened, I am like you, my interest isn't being judgmental. I am pragmatic and believe in science, intellectual rigor, network, structure and collective intelligence.

thank you for starting a diary....

it helps me focus. Your clarity is most appreciated. I'll stay tuned.

Day 1:

On the morning I noticed that 15 minutes after I brush my teeth I have very regularly the urge to blow my nose. A very stupid fact is that I have mucus only on the left side.

I ate potatoes with fish and tomato with olive oil. Always that same burning in the sore sensation. I don't know if it is related with the starchy eating. I drank two drink of water (I made that purposely, I noticed that I had abdominal pain as if digestion was difficult, I read that water can made digestion harder, it could validate the hypothetical hypothesis that I have a lack of digestive enzyme)

I have eaten in the end of the afternoon one soja yoghurt that does contains sugar.

On the night I ate breast of chicken with tomato (again!), onion and green Capsicum annuum (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poivron) and some bread.


Feeling: My tongue is heavy, suffered from headache on periodic moments. I can drink so much water, I'm still starving. Tomorrow will be an interesting thing in my diary. Let's see if I feel a pleasurable without alcohol hangover. I had heartburn, I took an anti acid that reduce a lot of that pain without clearing my abdominal pain. As I'm writing I feel again that heartburn, maybe the result of the food?


Act smart, analyze, eliminate hypothesis. There are common patterns we share. Maybe it's in food, a weak immune system or whatever. I want this diary to clarify points that I could misanalyse or even forget.

*thumbsup*

Day 2:

I have felt the hangover. Dry mouth. Did I mention that I didn't drink alcohol at all?

At lunch I ate duck sausage with salad and sauce (mustard, olive oil, normal olive, sherry vinegar).

The night I ate potatoes witch cheese, ham, some bacon on a typical lunch called raclette.

I went to a party where I ate two pieces of a chocolate cake (sugar, eggs, flour, yeast, chocolate, milk). I also and it is important smoke some "recreational" cigarette.


Sensations: The excess test of day 1 was conclusive, food worsen a lot my case: I feel heavy, starchy are not my friend. I felt diarrheic.

An incredible thing, while eating my sausage, a piece of it stayed stuck in my upper oesophagus for a long time, I wasn't scotching at all, I could drink water and continue swallowing normally. My gastroenterologist didn't talk about a strange thing in that region, and I emit the opinion that it is not normal to keep food in the throat.

In a very near future I have to find a way to eliminate systematically elements that are doing me bad. For the moment, the problem with me is not the possibilities but knowing what DOESN'T give me bb. I don't know if I must make a food allergy test.

Some phenomenon can make sense if acidity makes my mucus and fluids stinky. Trapped food, post nasal drip. IT IS HYPOTHETICAL. What do you think?

Day 3:

Lunch: Steak with a sause containing almond. And white rice. Some bread

At night: I ate at Subway (torriyaki chicken, tomato, onion, sweet onion sause, bread: oat and honey) Chips: taste chicken and thyme. Coca cola.
One cookie.

Sensations: As usual, dry mouth, metallic taste. Not a smart idea to drink coca cola. And smoking neither is a good idea. I have to stop smoking for two weeks, and all sugar like cookies, coca, sweety things. I continue to eat normally except that. We'll see what happens. On the next morning, I had a real sore throat as I have once a month. Green mucus when I blow my nose.

I have been given the contact of a new GP who is competent and careful. We'll see. Tonight (for you, this afternoon) I will post day 4.

thomasthomas,

have you considered doing a food sensitivity test with a laboratory?

Yes. But I don't know how it works. If I have to see a GP first, or if I can go on my own. Moreover, I want to do it if I can target specific areas (dysbiosis, candida, etc).

ThomasThomas,
From what you describe, your problem is definitely in your digestive tract. And judging from the food you eat, I must say I'm not surprised. If I ate that mixed up diet of yours, my guts would blow up like a hand grenade.

Day 4:

At lunch: roasted chicken, pea.

In the afternoon I drank a chocolate (on a coffee machine you know)

At night: A noodle soup.
Edit, addendum: Soja Yogurt, and bread.

Sensations. Painful sore, I'm writing now on day 5, I have not eaten yet. I can say that I clearly suffer more on the left side. Pain irradiate on my ears. I want to understand the inflammation mechanism (I'm not even sure it is). Is this food allergy, environmental?
When I woke up I have the nose full of mucus, I inclined myself a little with a cushion on my bed, it seems to evacuate, even if my left side is much worse. Acid reflux? PND? PND caused by acid reflux? Specific sinus thing?


Phantasist: I speculate from common sense it is food related, but I want to know what I have to isolate to get everything right. Stressedout suggested that I could make a food sensitivity test, I think I'm doing so. Do you think it is a good idea? How would you proceed to get things done: I have xyz allergies, I have/don't have candida, I have dysbiosis.
I don't want to make some test and let aside an important aspect and make it worse by forgetting that one and eating without taking it into account that specific thing.

Day 5:

The morning was bad, I felt a chest tightness because of weird stuff in my throat and my upper head (not very precise, my better definition would be "on the upper part of where pnd comes from). With some difficulty I evacuated green/brown mucus quite solid.

At lunch: I miserably failed by eating a brownie! And after that, I had green lentils with a sausage in the middle (It's a big sausage week, that's not usual). I ate the middle of the sausage. Some bread. Salad. Water.

At night: A soup (the classical one, potatoes, carrots, turnip I guess, etc).

Sensations: Not cool, headache, sore throat, some heartburn. My super diary tells me two interesting things: I am addicted to sugar and I have a possible connection between my diet, and my acid/pnd problematic. I'm still blocked at the candida/not candida, digestive/not digestive. Does someone can answer me:

"Stressedout suggested that I could make a food sensitivity test, I think I'm doing so. Do you think it is a good idea? How would you proceed to get things done: I have xyz allergies, I have/don't have candida, I have dysbiosis.
I don't want to make some test and let aside an important aspect and make it worse by forgetting that one and eating without taking it into account that specific thing." ???

i agree with Phantasist. Your diet is abominable.

ThomasThomas,
I'm no doctor, but since you asked me for advice, I will give it.
From your symptoms you seem to have two problems in two different areas.
One is in your sinuses. You say you have sinus headaches, green mucus, post nasal drip. It's possible you have some sort of sinus infection. This could be diagnosed by an ear nose and throat specialist.
The other problem is in your digestive system. You already mentioned that you have "dysbiosis". That is an imbalance of bacterial colonies, most likely in the digestive tract. This sometimes happens after taking a lot of antibiotics. You mentioned that you have some abdominal pain and irregular bowel movements. Your acid reflux is also suspicious. These problems would have to be diagnosed by a gastroenterologist.
Both the sinuses and the intestines are full of mucous membranes. These membranes are very sensitive, and yours seem to be in bad shape. It is not surprising that you have a coated tongue and bad breath.
You asked me what I would do. Aside from getting some medical diagnoses, I would adjust my diet. I would stay away from irritant foods and concentrate on bland foods such as potatoes (mashed, boiled, baked),
steamed vegetables and small portions of meat. Anything that is easily digestible. Salads are good, but not too many tomatoes (acid). I would also take probiotics to put the good bacteria into the intestines.
The fact that your father also has bad breath might suggest that you inherited your overly sensitive mucous membranes, so you have to take care not to irritate your sinuses or your intestines. You can make an effort to do that and that would help, but for and actual cure you probably have to find a couple of very good doctors.

Hopelessone: Lol, relatively to a teenager who eats hamburgers 24/24 or a straight veganist? And is it proven that diet changes something (unless you have allergy, which could be the case for me).

Phantasist: Just a precision. I made it confusing, but I told that according to my symptoms, I COULD have a dysbiosis, but I'm not a doctor neither. I saw a gastroenterologist who saw "nothing special". You bring a laborious question, you talk about ajusting diet. I agree, I'm aware that mine is not good for a normal person, and worse for an halitosis person (I think so, nothing certain!). Potatoes contains some starchy. Which could bring allergic reactions, and then I would be making an hypothetical effort of diet adjusting useless.

Apart not smoking, what can make sinuses so weak? (Let me guess, research must be done? )

Did you find very good doctors?

Thanks for the advice. I have to meet my new GP to get a strategy. Let's see first if he is not completely ignorant about bb.

ThomasThomas,
I'm a little puzzled by your reply. Judging from your symptoms, you easily could have Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SBIA). You certainly have enough abdominal distress, yet you seem to be unwilling to adjust your diet. By the way, SBIA can be treated with Xifaxan 550mg (Rifaximin).
Also, you say you have xyz allergies! What exactly is that?
As far as putting your trust in a GP, I think you'll be disappointed. You need two specialists: Ear Nose & Throat and gastroenterologist. And good ones at that. If you're looking for a "magic bullet" cure, there probably isn't one.