Tounge advice

[neverending]

Hi everyone,my first post on here and hoping someone can give me some advice.
I have severe, constant bb. Not a minute goes by when I don't have it, even straight after brushing my teeth. I have had this definitely since the end of secondary school, maybe longer (min 10 years). I'm fairly sure it comes from my tounge..here are my list of 'symptoms'

- cracked tounge all over, teeth marks at the side
- white tounge on the front that comes and goes
- white tounge very bad at the back but difficult to scrape off
- enlarged tastebuds
- bb is a very stale smell, like bad morning breath but all the time. Sometimes i can smell it through my nose and someone else has commented on it when my mouth has been shut
- I also find it almost impossible to breath though my nose and do a lot of mouth breathing

I know i dont need to tell you this as i have read other posts and i know we all feel the same but i can't carry on like this anymore. I think about my bb 24/7 - i feel i am dead inside now as i dont get excited about anything anymore because of this. I don't go out at all, and when I am forced to I am just a mute so scared of giving off my smell.

I'm sorry for the long post but i have never properly confided about this before. I feel so lonely.

I have been to dentist and dr (neither interested in doing anything to try and help), i tounge scrape morning and night, tried salt water, corsodyl, probiotics, vitamins, drink as much water as i can, have had x4 wisdom teeth removed, tried neilmed, tried nasal sprays but nothing has made any improvement.

Thanks for reading

[sadgirlbb]

I know how you feel... It gets SO very discouraging when KEEP trying and nothing seems to work.

[jen]

Hi neverending. Have you checked out adenoids? Or sinus. I don't know if a tongue problem can make you breathe through your mouth only. Maybe your tongue gets too dry because of the mouth breathing and that's why it is cracked. Just a thought.

[neverending]

thanks for replying...I have thought about sinus as my nose feels stuffy a lot of the time so interesting you say that Jen.

The real problem i have is getting help. I went to my dr a couple of years back (I'm in UK btw) and told him my problems. He just looked blankly at me and i found myself having to tell him what i thought it could be (at the time i was convinced vitamin deficiency)! This really knocked my confidence, and since then I have been to dentist and poured my heart out who told me he couldnt help as my teeth were ok and to go to dr. Went back to a different doctor a couple of weeks back who actually said "You have come to me about your BREATH??!" - he couldnt believe it. Told me he couldnt help and to go back to dentist! Gave me a perscription for an over the counter nasal spray only when I was on the verge of tears.

So who can help? I see people saying they have gone to their ENT but i assume you are in the US as here i think we have to be referred?

Sadgirl all i can say is i understand. It just seems like one disappointment after another. Before i had my wisdom teeth removed, i discovered that when i pressed one the back ones a load of gunk came out. Can you imagine how i felt - i thought i had finally found my solution. It has been nearly a year since they came out and hasnt made one bit of difference

[toto]

neverending..
we all pass here to same nightmare..
i fill like a dad man,cant breath the happy of this life.
i didnt kiss a girl for almost year now!and im 28 good looking guy.
but we all must remember that is not a a reason to stop living well,there a biger problems then that,
are you get reaction?

[halitosisux]

I didn't kiss a girl from the age of 15 and I'm in my 40s now.

Neverending, please exuse my language, but you should go back to this same doctor and say YES YOU PIECE OF SHIT I'M HERE BECAUSE OF MY BAD BREATH. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH MY GOD DAMN TEETH, SO YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHY I HAVE THIS ****ING PROBLEM WHICH IS MAKING ME DEPRESSED AND SUICIDAL AND COMPLETELY RUINING MY LIFE.

Take a list of all the known causes and say HERE, LEARN. Now lets start at the top and I want you to work through the list giving me all the tests and referrals I need to rule each and every one of these causes out. Until you do this then I'll never accept that you can't help me motherfucker.

[toto]

hali,why dont you kiss a girl so much time?
you can drink vodka and it pass for hour or more.
you defently hava somthing that reduce it for somt time.
and when people kissing it hard to didect the bb.

but i just say it and dont do it by me self..it is my confident.i wlaways think about thath even if i mild bb.

are you sure halitosisux that you coulnd be with a women?
in your age is really not so big issue..

there is a HIV ppl,cancer,leg missing,balding,uglyness,and much more dessises that stop life ppl.
you couldnt lost your life for this special problem.

but again..i just know to speak,i dont do it by me self.

[halitosisux]

I'm an all or nothing type of person.
My priority in life was to solve my BB. I found ways to cope with the things I was missing out on. What's the point in going through the process of finding someone nice, and eventually kissing them, and then having to let them go and forgetting all about them? I'd rather just keep myself locked in the prison of my body. That's just the way I saw things.

[jen]

thanks for replying...I have thought about sinus as my nose feels stuffy a lot of the time so interesting you say that Jen.

The real problem i have is getting help. I went to my dr a couple of years back (I'm in UK btw) and told him my problems. He just looked blankly at me and i found myself having to tell him what i thought it could be (at the time i was convinced vitamin deficiency)! This really knocked my confidence, and since then I have been to dentist and poured my heart out who told me he couldnt help as my teeth were ok and to go to dr. Went back to a different doctor a couple of weeks back who actually said "You have come to me about your BREATH??!" - he couldnt believe it. Told me he couldnt help and to go back to dentist! Gave me a perscription for an over the counter nasal spray only when I was on the verge of tears.

So who can help? I see people saying they have gone to their ENT but i assume you are in the US as here i think we have to be referred?

Neverending, unfortunately I don't know how your medical system works, maybe you can post a new thread asking uk members for assistance. I went to the ENT and all he did was to prescribe nasal spray and anti-histamine as well as saline rinse. It didn't work.

When I was young it took a lot of courage to go to a doctor for help. I found it nearly impossible to admit my problem with bb. But I did it, traumatic as it was. I went to dentists and several different specialists. I got the same reaction from all of them - disbelief and discomfort and in the end they scribbled a prescription and waved me out of their rooms as fast as possible. After that I didn't go for many years - saw it was useless.

Then the internet opened many opportunities for research. Being older and having been through so much in my life, I don't tolerate s### anymore. I'm past caring what they think of me and I don't have a high opinion of them. So, I decide what I want to try and without even mentioning bb, I tell them what I want. If they want to know why, I say anything that's plausible, like it's for acid reflux or stomach ache or whatever. Sometimes they want to give something else instead and then I explain that I saw a specialist a while ago who described that very same thing, but I couldn't afford it at the time and want to try it now. And in case you're wondering, it doesn't bother me one bit that I'm lying. Honesty didn't bring me anywhere with these noble professionals and I refuse to allow them to waste any more of my precious time.

Since they don't actually care about me, just about the money for the consultation, I always get what I want without too much hassle.

I read on this board about two antibiotics used together for sinus (see lisa's thread: "8 weeks bb free and now it came back" or something like it), went to the doctor (not even wasting money on an ENT) and told him I wanted those antibiotics for sinus and he gave them without any trouble. It really helped for me, although my bb didn't disappear totally. I don't know for how long, but at the moment my breath feels as though it has improved about 80%. unfortunately I also struggle with IBS, and the sinus will probably return but still, life is so much better for now. At least I know that sinus is a big contributor and I can work on that.

You owe it to yourself to try and resolve this. Good luck.
PS I like halitosisux's method too (lol). Decide what works for you and just do it.

[toto]

Halitosisux,

but you worng about the break out with nice woman that you meet.
i know hundreds of women who stay with thier men with a worse issues then bb.
i know girl from my class who stay with her boyfreind who pass a seriues cancr and left with no hair,and shape of head like a monster.they thgether alot of time.

even when i had agirlfreind before my bb ,for two years we kissed very little,and we talked face to face very little,even if two of us was a minimal bb.

you dont live in her mouth or she in yours,she see your all personallty and bb can be prat of it,
so if you can find 3-4 times a day when your bb is fine,you can kiss her than,you dont need to plan it,it is really common and noraml in all couples.

so,i just talk now and dont do it by my self.
BTW,i remmber in my first 20's i had a girl that was in my school,i rememner her constant bad breath,she always have the same bb,but i still go to meet her and i didnt stay with her from totally other resones.i even dont think about that as a problem.and i dont think she know about her bb.

[halitosisux]

Toto, yeah I see people doing the same too. It's hard to put into words what made me have this negative attitude. I remember when I was 15 and I was seeing this girl for about 2 weeks who I had liked for years. We didn't really do that much together and only used to kiss each other when we left. I was very nervous about doing anything sexual with her, but I really loved kissing her. But the kissing only lasted about 15 seconds and then she'd pull away really suddenly like she was about to die and then say goodbye and literally run. I never realised how bad my breath was at the time, and once I connected this behavour to my breath it made me feel so shit. After that it just felt less painful to go without, and 25 years later here I am.

I'm not really doing much in my life at the moment because of certain committments I'm involved with, along with working during the day. So, even if I wanted to go out and get laid, I don't really have the freedom at the moment for any kind of enjoyment. I'm just glad to have this huge weight off my back.

The confidence I feel from knowing that my breath is ok is unreal. Inside I feel like there's a gigantic coiled spring and if I think about it too much I could go nuts with excitement.

Thanks for your advice btw.

[math]

This probably is gonna sound unpopular, but going to sleep extremely early in the evening used to effectively clear out the heavy gunk in my mouth and make my skin glow with health.

Can somebody here, please, try this and report back the results?

I also took tea tree oil and oregano oil orally. I know tea tree oil is supposed to be toxic if taken internally, but I still did it. With tea tree oil I experienced bad breath reduction, complexion improvement, feeling of lightness and feeling as if I was growing physically. Also, heavy tiredness right after I took tea tree oil, some mild distention, oily skin, despite it being generally of nicer tone, and hair; increase in being horny. Then I switched to oregano oil which mildly helped with my breath and skin tone, but aggravated my PND.

And lastly, I did bowel cleansing. It helped my breath and skin, general well-being, but the results wore out somewhat quick. Back then, the people who administered this type of treatment would give me kefir with probiotics in it, but I didn't know I was lactose intolerant, so I guess all the live bacteria I lost during the procedure I never gained back, then. I wouldn't do it now.

[sadgirlbb]

I also took tea tree oil and oregano oil orally. I know tea tree oil is supposed to be toxic if taken internally, but I still did it. With tea tree oil I experienced bad breath reduction, complexion improvement, feeling of lightness and feeling as if I was growing physically. Also, heavy tiredness right after I took tea tree oil, some mild distention, oily skin, despite it being generally of nicer tone, and hair; increase in being horny. Then I switched to oregano oil which mildly helped with my breath and skin tone, but aggravated my PND.

I have been taking tea tree oil for about the past 4 days. Its the ONLY thing that has cut my bad breath. I know its toxic but I don't feel bad when I take it. I started off very slowly because I was scared I was going to kill myself or something. lol But it works for me. I get about 5 - 6 hours and the breath after that is not so bad. I don't know how long I can keep it up or how badly I'm hurting my body but its helping me right now. And it has lessened my bb to where I don't feel like such a freak.

[neverending]

Jen & Hali, thanks so much for your advice. You have given me the courage to go back to my doctor (although I'll try a different GP this time). I'm going to try to get them to look at my sinus problem first - I dont think I'll mention the bb just the other symptoms, maybe this way they will take it seriously.

I realise this thread is going on a tangent, but another question while you have been so helpful....what does a normal mouth taste like? I know it seems odd to ask this but my bb is constant, I can't understand the degrees of how bad it is sometimes as it never goes. Also I had a really down day today where i did the lick test on the back of my wrist directly after brushing my teeth and scraping my tounge - and it smelt. It got me thinking, does someone with no bb have no smell at all when they do the lick test, or is there always something?

I'm so glad to be talking about this stuff with actual people instead of just being on google for hours and hours researching. I pray we will all find a cure one day, or at least some relief.

[toto]

the lick test is smell for enyone who do it.
but if the smell of your back tongue lick test is the same like your bb,it can say somthing about your source.

the lick test is not a test for bb,just indiction to the couse or source(depending where you do it,tongue,tonsilis etc..)