PERIODONTALISTS

Snobuni · Post by **Snobuni** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:44 pm

Has anyone every visited a periodontist and had their bb improved by anything they've done?

This treatment is available privately at a dentist near me;

Photo Dynamic Disinfection (Periowave)
This exciting treatment for periodontal disease has been developed in conjunction with The Eastman Dental Institute in London and is now available in selected branches of The Dental Clinic.

A technologically advanced gel is gently placed into the gum pockets affected by periodontal disease and then a special laser is used to activate the gel to release oxygen radicals. The gel bonds to the surfaces of bacteria which contribute to the disease process and when the oxygen radicals are released this kills the bacteria.

The treatment is quick and painless and studies suggest an improved response when combined with traditional treatments compared to the traditional treatments alone.

I don't have gum disease or gum pockets, I do have slightly receded gums though, I'm wondering if this would be worth a try. Hmmm, probably not after reading through it again, it just sounds like a fancy form of hydrogen peroxide

I weighing up whether I should spend my limited amount of cash on a visit to a periodontist or an ENT...

DRASTIC · Post by **DRASTIC** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:07 pm

hi Snobuni,

that treatment was mentioned in earlier thread year years ago by a dental hygienist. Check the threads.

I dont think it cured the bad breath either.

I personally would use the money to do other things like extracting the wisdom teeth.

its expevensive. Very expensive. Might cost around £500 to do it. How much will they charge you to do it at the periodontals?????

Drastic

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:34 pm

Hi snobuni,
i agree with Drastic there, but at least by visiting such a centre they will go to the extremes of looking for any possible gum pockets you might have in the hope of treating any.
Its such a difficult dilemma with gums because all it takes is one pocket, but when your dentist says you dont have any, ur a bit stuck for options. But im living proof they can get it wrong when it comes to anything other than the familiar redness of gum diseases, which i definitely did not have.
I can remember my dentist telling me a few yrs ago i had one outer tooth edge which had a slightly receeding gum, because i was brushing too hard. Ever since i changed to an electric brush its improved.
Have you ever tried lightly brushing around your gums with with a chlorhexidine rinse just to see the effect it has?

DRASTIC · Post by **DRASTIC** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:59 pm

HI Snobuni,

just a tip.

Go back to a thread started by CURED. Thats his name.

You will see he mentioned his bad breath being cured by wisdom teeth extractions.

Just so you know. I believe that when cured when to the dentist his dentist told him that he had no problem etc all was well.

But he ended up taking out his wisdom teeth and bam he go cured.

So, because there is no odur or your dentist tells you its fine doesnt mean there isnt a problem. My thing to you is try to get those wisdom teeth out if you can than to spen money on that procedure.

I believe the guy CURED mentioned that he had a long list of things that he had planned to do.

first was tonsillectomy
second was wisdom extraction

I think he is a wise fellow. I would read his thread if I were you.

Just search back to a couple thread and you will see.

DRASTIC

OdourFree · Post by **OdourFree** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:03 pm

Hi Snobuni

I got really excited (for a moment) about this periowave procedure because I think my bb problem may be due to old, untreated periodonal problems. From my own personal point of view, if it's got anything to do with hydrogen peroxide I would steer clear of it. That stuff left me with receding gums and sensitive teeth, and only had a temporary effect on the VSC producing bacteria.

Have you ever used hydrogen peroxide as a mouthwash?
I hate to add to your dilema but if you haven't been using anything that would cause your gums to recede then it may be that there is something going on underneath them.

OdourFree

asd · Post by **asd** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:33 pm

my gums are mildly receded. Everytime I go to dentist they get ready to give me the whole 'you are brushing too hard, buy an electric toothbrush' and I say I have been using sonicare so shut the ***k up moron. I personally hate dentists.

DRASTIC · Post by **DRASTIC** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:43 pm

Hi asd,

I agree with you. I believe that dentists are ***k FACED MORONS. ATLEAST MY DENTIST IS. His NAME IS MR. DENTIST MORON.

HOW WILL YOU KNOW ITS HIM. WELL IF YOU GO TO HIM LIKE I DID WITH BLEEDING WISDOM GUMS AND IMPACTED WISDOM TEETH FOR EXTRACTION AND HE SAYS NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THEM, THEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE COME ACROSS THE BASTARD.

ALSO, IF HE SAYS HE DOESNT HAVE A CLUE WHAT COULD BE CAUSING YOUR BAD BREATH THEN THAT THE SAME SON OF A b*T*h.

IF YOU HAPPEN TO COME ACROSS HIM DONT EVEN BOTHER ENTERING HIS OFFICE.

They are also liars.

If you are in UK and you go to an NHS dentist. They will not help you. If you go to a private dentist and you have money to spend they will readily help you by extracting wisdom teeth.

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:23 am

lol asd, lol drastic, good point odourfree - receeding gums are a sign of periodontal disease, i never thought of that.

OdourFree · Post by **OdourFree** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:47 am

I'll give you a good example of dentists overlooking sensitivity and receding gums.

For a long time I suffered with sensitivity and receding gums around one particular tooth that was heavily filled. It was irritating when I flossed it but it didn't bleed. Dentists always told me I was brushing too hard. My reply was always 'if i'm brushing too hard why aren't all my gums receding'? They maintained that if it didn't bleed when I flossed there was no infection or periodontal disease around that area. Anyway, I started using very soft bristled toothbrushes and changed to sonic toothbrush, but it didn't make any difference.

The senstivity was becoming more painful and the gum was irritating so my current dentist root filled the tooth. Even that didn't make any difference, in fact if anything it made it worse. He thought there was perhaps another canal that he couldn't find that had calcified over the years. So off I went to an endodontist the other day.

The endodontist located another canal and when he entered it, it bled profusely. He was getting worried because it wouldn't stop bleeding and there was pus mixed in with the blood. He even called in two of his colleagues to have a look! Strangely enough at the point when he entered the canal it smelled as though someone had farted and it definitely was me

Maybe it was the tooth!

He discovered that somehow the tooth had been perferated at bone level which caused an infection. Apparently the canal had calcified in order to protect itself from the infection but the infection continued to thrive outside of the perferated tooth around the bone area.

This is perhaps an extreme example but it just shows that sensitive teeth and non-bleeding, receding gums can be an indication of infection.

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:37 am

Blimey odourfree,
Did this happen recently? please mention more if there's more.
My sister is getting BB smelling of mothballs at the moment, its a very "toothy" smell. She is one of those lucky people with bullet-proof good breath normally, but not atm!
She looked after her teeth very well, but since one of her sons developed a phobia to needles she developed some phobia to dentists too and kept away for a number of years. Then she developed toothache in one tooth and was forced to go. I dont know what the hell is going on, she doesnt say much and i dont want to trigger a breath complex in her because she is managing to remain oblivious. But i think i need to mention it because i dont trust her dentist who MUST SURELY be able to smell this tooth, but he keeps making small modifications to it each time she goes. Its something to do with a root canal. I would like to feel i can trust what her dentist is doing, but suddenly now that i read what you have said and while typing this out, i dont trust at all. I've always had a suspicion that her dentist is doing what he is for purely financial reasons. I mean most professions have inspections to keep check on their conduct, but dentistry is inherently difficult to monitor, and i think they abuse this position of trust.

OdourFree · Post by **OdourFree** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:44 am

halitosisux
Yes, it was very recent. I saw the endodontist on Sunday (I'm in the middle east and Sunday's are working days). He was amazed that I wasn't in absolute agony and that it didn't bleed when I flossed but said that it was probably because there was an occlusion, which I understand is a blocked blood vessel. It's still healing so only time will tell if has any bearing on my bb problem.

If your sister has had a root canal treatment and it's still hurting, it could be one of 3 things that I know of:
1. Not all of the canals have been located and filled. My current dentist says there is no precise rule on the number of canals in each tooth, molars in particular can be tricky.

2. The canal/s have not been filled right down to the very tip, which is apparently a very common occurance. In many cases it doesn't seem to matter how much antibacterial solution is used to clean out a canal before it is filled, if there is a space left between the root filling and the bottom tip of the canal bacteria will breed. At the very least it will cause soreness when flossing or an absess in the extreme.

3. The tooth/root has been perferated. I would eat my words if I heard any dentist owning up to this because it's pure negligence.

I am aware of your history but personally I would tell her about her smelly breath because at the moment she can pin-point the cause and get it fixed. When in the future she discovers she has bb she may end up in a state of confusion like us.
For some reason dentists don't tell their patients when they are suffering from bb. One day I'll ask why!!

I know all about unscrupulous dentists, I suffered at the hands of one when I was a teenager. He carried out as much unnecessary dental work as he possibly could to scam the NHS. He was caught eventually and it caused a scandal in my home town because so many people were affected. I think it all stems from financial greed, and it's systemic throughout the whole of the dental profession.

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:16 am

Hi OdourFree, thanks for your detailed reply.

"For some reason dentists don't tell their patients when they are suffering from bb. One day I'll ask why!!"

Its unreal. Its like a fireman ignoring the smell of smoke. There is absolutely no excuse for a dentist to ignore BB. But since from what i have heard BB isnt even covered in the training to become a dentist, its hardly surprising. Dentists are pretty much free to do whatever they like and make lots of money in the process.

Anyway, i hope this discovery turns out to be, or eventually leads you to the cause of your BB.
Thanks for your advice regarding my sister, i'll tell her the next time we discuss my own issues.

I think anyone who has teeth has to be grateful for each day they manage to remain BB-free and even more so if they do develop BB and manage to find any dental reasons.

I can always rememeber my mum being suspicious of my dentist as a kid for doing so many fillings to everyone. She was also suspicious when this dentist said i needed to remove some teeth to make some room because of overcrowding. Maybe if she had taken their advice it would have prevented my wisdom tooth from causing my BB for all these years. Knowledge is power.

Snobuni · Post by **Snobuni** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:35 am

Hi Odourfree,

That's a really interesting (and scary) story. Has your bb improved since you've had your tooth properly filled?

Like you and Halitosisux, my dentist was struck off (or whatever it is they do to dentists who are carrying out un-necessary dental work). She managed to fill almost every tooth in my head and extract four of my molars before this though.

I had been seeing a different dentist before all these procedures (I changed because we moved house) and he hadn't given me a single filling or found any problems with my teeth. Now I think back, my bb started soon after the last extraction of my bottom molars, it could just be a coincidence though as I was about fourteen at the time, and this seems to be when most people's bb kicks in.

I've used hydrogen peroxide for years (don't use it or any other antibacterials now), this could have contributed or caused my slight gum recession. When I've asked my dentist about this, she's says it's a normal amount of recession for my age and it's nothing to worry about.

I'm trying to pluck up the courage to make an appointment with a periodontist today, I was wanting to ask you guys a questions first. It's difficult to explain but, when I had my back molars removed, the gum obviously healed over and it now looks slightly puffy and squashy, there isn't a socket hole like I have in my top jaw. This gum isn't adhered to the tooth which is now my back tooth, so there's quite a bit of space between this gum area and the tooth which does trap food. It's easy to floss and doesn't seem to smell though, think this could be a problem at all? I get a bad taste around my back teeth, particulary the one on the right, but it doesn't smell when I floss or rub around it. Do you think it's worth bringing this up at the periodontist appointment? Wouldn't hurt to ask I suppose...

halitosisux · Post by **halitosisux** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:34 am

Snobuni, you need to take some pics im baffled by what you mean.

By "hole" do u mean like an indentation in the gum where the tooth once was?
Also, i think there is a name for that puffy squishy gum you are referring to, i had some of that around my wisdom tooth. And if im correct its not a good sign.
Could it be that your tooth snapped off when it was extracted? someone else on here had that happen to their wisdom tooth and and the remaining tooth is still inside - she is currently waiting to find out more. A remaining tooth like this could cause problems.
I think u should see a periodontist or endodontist asap, someone who is more specialised in dealing with these issues.

Snobuni · Post by **Snobuni** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:41 pm

Sorry, lol!!

I'm not being clear at all am I? I'll try and take some pics over the weekend. I don't think my molar could have snapped when being extracted as surely the remaining bits would have show up on my dental xray.

As for the puffiness, someone posted a picture from the internet which looked similar to my gum which covers the spaces were the molars were extracted...I can't remember what it was about though...

I've looked at my partners teeth and he has this similar squashy bit of gum at the back of his mouth were he had an extraction, so I don't think it an unusual thing to have... worth checking out though.

By a hole, I just mean socket holes were the teeth used to be, I've also seen pic of this and it seems to be fairly normal in the upper jaw. They're both sealed and there's no direct contact into my gums or teeth through these sockets. There's also no smell from them when I swab inside them.

I'm not sure I'm making things any clearer, I'll have a look round the net and see if I can find any similar pics.