Archimonde,
There are a number of important factors relating to your questions. Firstly, humans have moved onto eating foods which require far less jaw strength and as a consequence are gradually evolving a smaller jaw size with far less room for teeth, in particular wisdom teeth which usually surface in mid to late teens. Whether there is any connection or not, this does seem to coincide with the age of the onset of many people's BB, as too is the point at which parents no longer manage their children's dental care and the consequences of any neglect could then begin manifesting.
Advising anyone on this is difficult because obviously nobody wants to remove healthy teeth unnecsessarily. My advice to anyone considering this is whether or not there are signs that teeth are impacted and not fully erupted and whether there are any gum issues and odours from these areas. Most people will find that they will not miss their wisdom teeth. Whether the detection of odour from around these teeth should be a determining factor, it has been proven this cannot be relied upon as to whether wisdom teeth could be causing chronic BB, although in my case i was very much aware of odours.
In answer to your specific question, the top teeth are next to the maxillary sinuses and there is always the possibility that these sinuses are being invaded by any of the upper molars, or any infections which may be present. The bottom teeth also carry the risk of damage to facial nerves which run in the jaw. So if i had to choose i would start with the upper teeth. I would say the most important factor in determining which teeth to try first would be the detection of any odours nearby.
The odours i were aware of were straightforward, unlike "cured" who was always perplexed by occational odours which were difficult to pinpoint.
Visited Oral Surgeon today re wisdom teeth
Halitosisux-
How are you doing, still bb free? I bumped a thread from Cured titled "wisdom teeth extraction cured my nasal bb" have you read this thread and have you two talked? If so in the past, I'm sorry I try to piece all the posts/people together that are communicating. If not, please read and do you relate to his story.
I'm going Monday to the dentist and plan to be aggressive with have all of my wisdom teeth out. I my 2 bottoms pulled when I was 18, but not the tops. I still have bb, and it all started with my wisdoms back at age 18 with this "1/2 completed" procedure.
Thoughts?
How are you doing, still bb free? I bumped a thread from Cured titled "wisdom teeth extraction cured my nasal bb" have you read this thread and have you two talked? If so in the past, I'm sorry I try to piece all the posts/people together that are communicating. If not, please read and do you relate to his story.
I'm going Monday to the dentist and plan to be aggressive with have all of my wisdom teeth out. I my 2 bottoms pulled when I was 18, but not the tops. I still have bb, and it all started with my wisdoms back at age 18 with this "1/2 completed" procedure.
Thoughts?
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halitosisux
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Hi mindyb,
It was through searching for any information on BB/wisdom teeth connections that i found cured's post which brought me to this site in september 2008 and i proceeded to have one of my teeth out in november which cured my BB completely.
Good luck on monday. Whatever anatomical problems forced you to extract those bottom teeth may also have continued to affect your top teeth and cause your BB.
It was through searching for any information on BB/wisdom teeth connections that i found cured's post which brought me to this site in september 2008 and i proceeded to have one of my teeth out in november which cured my BB completely.
Good luck on monday. Whatever anatomical problems forced you to extract those bottom teeth may also have continued to affect your top teeth and cause your BB.
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I dont know what to do, the gums have healed, the bb is still here, I can say maybe it is like 20 % better, I am not sure, maybe it aint better at all. But my spit aint smelling, also my taste is better, and still ifI smell now it smells a bit around my molar, and today I checked my throat where it always smelled like shit and it was not smelling at all.
I am so confused, still feel there is infection in the area above the throat, at the back of my sinuses perhaps, strange feeling, like feeling roughness, like something is on there and needs to be scraped. the same as it was on tongue.
Now I tried if the food is still lodging in my gums and it aint. But the taste is still there which is not good, it aint fresh as it was few days after laser. I see still deep pocket, but that is clean, but I will probably have to go back to cut that off too. Or it might heal in time. I can easily remove the gum far away and that aint good, but the food is not lodging in for now.
I am at the sea right now so I gargled with sea water and that healed the sensitivity of gums, i tried with pick and there is no way the food is still trapped there, but there is for sure infection inside and i taste sweet liquid oozing out of gums.
I am totally confused.
I thought I was cured numerous times and I was always disappointed, better just to welcome this ****ing disease and live with it, but I will crank this tooth out soon if needed.
I am happy for some that it helped, and I suggest anybody to pull their molars out, because we don't need them.
Most of my friends molars were pulled when they were really young like 14 yo, exactly when my bb started, and I am not sure if my molar start to errupt at that time but it might, for years only small tip looked out of my gum and I never suspected it.
Hopefully we all get cured someday, this condition aint easy to live with, but at least we feel for each other and we are not crazy like all the moronic dentists are claiming and try to put us under drugs.
When i was really young the same shit happened to me, I was joked by other boys that I smell and after a while a dentist pull out the remains of one of the first tooth i had, it was black and the bb dissapeared immeediately. So I neer suspected the bb can come again from my mouth, because I was obsessed with healthiness and cleanliness of my mouth all the time. I clean my teeth at least 4 times per day.
Again the dentists are stupid, even so called "EXPERTS" who might know about this but might be easier to just sell their snake oil. Probably some patients told them they were cured after a moar was removed but Halitomafia kept silent, we are still their gold, and they will leech us for life if needed.
OMG my anger towards those morons is comig back, I better stop
We are the bb team and we stick together, that is what it is important.
I am so confused, still feel there is infection in the area above the throat, at the back of my sinuses perhaps, strange feeling, like feeling roughness, like something is on there and needs to be scraped. the same as it was on tongue.
Now I tried if the food is still lodging in my gums and it aint. But the taste is still there which is not good, it aint fresh as it was few days after laser. I see still deep pocket, but that is clean, but I will probably have to go back to cut that off too. Or it might heal in time. I can easily remove the gum far away and that aint good, but the food is not lodging in for now.
I am at the sea right now so I gargled with sea water and that healed the sensitivity of gums, i tried with pick and there is no way the food is still trapped there, but there is for sure infection inside and i taste sweet liquid oozing out of gums.
I am totally confused.
I thought I was cured numerous times and I was always disappointed, better just to welcome this ****ing disease and live with it, but I will crank this tooth out soon if needed.
I am happy for some that it helped, and I suggest anybody to pull their molars out, because we don't need them.
Most of my friends molars were pulled when they were really young like 14 yo, exactly when my bb started, and I am not sure if my molar start to errupt at that time but it might, for years only small tip looked out of my gum and I never suspected it.
Hopefully we all get cured someday, this condition aint easy to live with, but at least we feel for each other and we are not crazy like all the moronic dentists are claiming and try to put us under drugs.
When i was really young the same shit happened to me, I was joked by other boys that I smell and after a while a dentist pull out the remains of one of the first tooth i had, it was black and the bb dissapeared immeediately. So I neer suspected the bb can come again from my mouth, because I was obsessed with healthiness and cleanliness of my mouth all the time. I clean my teeth at least 4 times per day.
Again the dentists are stupid, even so called "EXPERTS" who might know about this but might be easier to just sell their snake oil. Probably some patients told them they were cured after a moar was removed but Halitomafia kept silent, we are still their gold, and they will leech us for life if needed.
OMG my anger towards those morons is comig back, I better stop
We are the bb team and we stick together, that is what it is important.
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Hi Happylife,
The last 2 months are the only period in my 39 years of life that i know have been BB free. I wasnt taught to look after my teeth in childhood, the only time i would bother to brush my teeth was when going for dental checkups. So i guess the BB back then was due to this fact. I used to think people made it up just to bring me down, i couldnt smell anything myself, so it didnt bother me too much. Then in my mid teens my brother told me to "get help" because of my BB. I became very conscious of it then, and realised how serious it was when nothing i tried would get rid of it. Fast-forward 20 years of hell and utter frustration to november 2008 where i had removed a single tooth half-embedded into the tissues in the rear of my mouth which constantly gave off a discharge of tonsillolith type odours into my mouth. Not a case of room-filling BB, and fortunately no odours from my nose. It would infest my whole mouth with odour, tongue and throat. I even had a tonsillectomy and had tonsil stones. Now i struggle to detect any odour on my tongue, even when i wake up.
As far as BB from mouth-only goes, on the scale it was around 6 or 7. There was no tooth or gum infection, just an anaerobic bacterial orgy going on in the pocket of gum that had formed around the crown of this tooth producing a constant discharge of shit into my mouth. If i touched it with my finger it was like touching my tonsils when they were full of the same shit.
The last 2 months are the only period in my 39 years of life that i know have been BB free. I wasnt taught to look after my teeth in childhood, the only time i would bother to brush my teeth was when going for dental checkups. So i guess the BB back then was due to this fact. I used to think people made it up just to bring me down, i couldnt smell anything myself, so it didnt bother me too much. Then in my mid teens my brother told me to "get help" because of my BB. I became very conscious of it then, and realised how serious it was when nothing i tried would get rid of it. Fast-forward 20 years of hell and utter frustration to november 2008 where i had removed a single tooth half-embedded into the tissues in the rear of my mouth which constantly gave off a discharge of tonsillolith type odours into my mouth. Not a case of room-filling BB, and fortunately no odours from my nose. It would infest my whole mouth with odour, tongue and throat. I even had a tonsillectomy and had tonsil stones. Now i struggle to detect any odour on my tongue, even when i wake up.
As far as BB from mouth-only goes, on the scale it was around 6 or 7. There was no tooth or gum infection, just an anaerobic bacterial orgy going on in the pocket of gum that had formed around the crown of this tooth producing a constant discharge of shit into my mouth. If i touched it with my finger it was like touching my tonsils when they were full of the same shit.
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Jimi,
Based on what i have been through, i think the problem is more to do with the "usual" oral anaerobic bacteria in those pockets which thrive on dead cells and similar debris, not just on trapped food. In exactly the same way as a tongue with an unusually deep groove in the middle can cause BB, such "harmless" anaerobic pockets around the teeth will do the same.
If you have any submerged areas of tooth enamel which form the crown of the tooth, the gums cannot adhere to enamel, so there will always be a pocket there.
This is the fine-line in every mouth between a freshness or foulness. Even though every mouth has billions of bacteria and is capable of giving anyone BB, the oxygen in saliva prevents that from happening as long as it is able to reach them. But any areas where anaerobic bacteria are free to thrive in the absense of sufficient saliva they will produce high amounts of VSCs and infest the whole mouth with those odours.
The halitomafia just want everyone to believe that because the tongue is full of bacteria that these odours have to be produced on there, but that's only to get everyone hooked into the vicious circle of scraping and rinsing with their products that only make the sitation worse and do NOTHING to tackle the underlying causes, other than mask them temporarily.
The teeth and the sinuses are both inherently prone to develop problems that produce the odours which give us BB, so they have to be ruled out completely.
Based on what i have been through, i think the problem is more to do with the "usual" oral anaerobic bacteria in those pockets which thrive on dead cells and similar debris, not just on trapped food. In exactly the same way as a tongue with an unusually deep groove in the middle can cause BB, such "harmless" anaerobic pockets around the teeth will do the same.
If you have any submerged areas of tooth enamel which form the crown of the tooth, the gums cannot adhere to enamel, so there will always be a pocket there.
This is the fine-line in every mouth between a freshness or foulness. Even though every mouth has billions of bacteria and is capable of giving anyone BB, the oxygen in saliva prevents that from happening as long as it is able to reach them. But any areas where anaerobic bacteria are free to thrive in the absense of sufficient saliva they will produce high amounts of VSCs and infest the whole mouth with those odours.
The halitomafia just want everyone to believe that because the tongue is full of bacteria that these odours have to be produced on there, but that's only to get everyone hooked into the vicious circle of scraping and rinsing with their products that only make the sitation worse and do NOTHING to tackle the underlying causes, other than mask them temporarily.
The teeth and the sinuses are both inherently prone to develop problems that produce the odours which give us BB, so they have to be ruled out completely.
Halitosisux and Hopefulnblessed, everyone-
I'm going tomorrow for my dental appt. I want all wisdoms out so I can rule them out as a cause or most important be helped!
Do you think I should ask the dentist to remove them straight out of the gate, or go into my long history of why I think they should be removed. I fumble alot! Do you think I should say I feel pain in that area or explain I feel they cause bb?
We all know that doctors/dentists look at us and tell us NO to our ideas and concerns. I'm sick of settling, I want them out, and I will pay straight out of pocket if necessary!!!!!!
Thanks guys for your advice!
I'm going tomorrow for my dental appt. I want all wisdoms out so I can rule them out as a cause or most important be helped!
Do you think I should ask the dentist to remove them straight out of the gate, or go into my long history of why I think they should be removed. I fumble alot! Do you think I should say I feel pain in that area or explain I feel they cause bb?
We all know that doctors/dentists look at us and tell us NO to our ideas and concerns. I'm sick of settling, I want them out, and I will pay straight out of pocket if necessary!!!!!!
Thanks guys for your advice!
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Mindy, I'm not gonna mention BB to my dentist, i'll just say that i have serious toothache on both sides (which is not true). I suggest you do the same.
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hi mindyb,
I would first just like to clarify something i said earlier. What i meant to say is that whatever the reason why you had issues with your bottom wisdom teeth (ie overcrowding), what i meant is, if your teeth anatomy caused issues with your bottom teeth necessitating their removal, then this same anatomy (if it is overcrowding) is also quite likely to affect your top teeth too.
Also, the issue of how to approach your dentist depends on each individual and their dentist. In my case i was so convinced in the end that my tooth was causing my BB that i didnt even mention BB when i went to discuss having it removed, i just said it sometimes give me pain (which it did occasionally) and i needed to go abroad and wanted to ensure i wouldnt get any problems while i was away.
So if you get odours from them then you dont need anyone's opinion on the matter, u just need to get them removed ASAP. If you feel unsure then start by making sure you mention BB and allow your dentist to do their job of discovering whether it could be due to your wisdom teeth or not and go from there.
GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!
I would first just like to clarify something i said earlier. What i meant to say is that whatever the reason why you had issues with your bottom wisdom teeth (ie overcrowding), what i meant is, if your teeth anatomy caused issues with your bottom teeth necessitating their removal, then this same anatomy (if it is overcrowding) is also quite likely to affect your top teeth too.
Also, the issue of how to approach your dentist depends on each individual and their dentist. In my case i was so convinced in the end that my tooth was causing my BB that i didnt even mention BB when i went to discuss having it removed, i just said it sometimes give me pain (which it did occasionally) and i needed to go abroad and wanted to ensure i wouldnt get any problems while i was away.
So if you get odours from them then you dont need anyone's opinion on the matter, u just need to get them removed ASAP. If you feel unsure then start by making sure you mention BB and allow your dentist to do their job of discovering whether it could be due to your wisdom teeth or not and go from there.
GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!
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After reading several posts, I had my 4 wisdom teeth removed last week. The bottom two were stitched closed and the top two are healing with the blood clots (I hope). My follow-up appt is later this week. I really hope that this works. I have had this problem since my early teens but I also failed to brush my teeth everyday and I don't remember actually brushing them properly when I did brush them. I do have one tooth left that is chipped down to the gumline on the outside of the tooth. I have been advised to get a root canal for it. I have another tooth that had a huge hole from most of the filling falling out.
I forgot to add that I had some gum tissue over one of the bottom teeth and that it grew slanted.
I can't wait until I can enjoy eating again after healing more from the extractions. Applesauce has been a friend of mine.
I forgot to add that I had some gum tissue over one of the bottom teeth and that it grew slanted.
I can't wait until I can enjoy eating again after healing more from the extractions. Applesauce has been a friend of mine.
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