Open letter to keeptrying09

[DrMel]

Jimi, have not had sex in a long time. That is why he takes them out all their frustration at their poor members

[KeepTrying09]

Continued........

Anyway, it's clear that Jimi is uncomfortable with this whole situation, and honestly my intention is not to make him feel that way. I respect the fact that this is his site, and as he graciously allows me to be a member here, I will comply with his requests. So, from now on:

1.) I will no longer offer any medications on this forum.

2.) I will delete my Instant Messaging screen names from my signature even though they are not marketing links as Jimi put it. However, I will add the instant messaging screen names to my user profile on this forum as that is allowed under the user profile section. (Unless Jimi tells me otherwise)

3.) I am going to go through all my posts and edit out any reference I have made in regards to offering medications. Per Jimi's request, please do not post anything on the forum in regards to the procurement or shipment of prescription medications as he does not want to be held liable in the event something happens. I completely understand his concern and I respect his decision. Please everyone respect his decision too.

4.) I do not plan on posting anymore information about prescription medications in the future. I believe I have posted adequate information already about the prescription medications that I have experience with and am familiar with. If you want more information in regards to prescription medications, I encourage you to talk with your doctor, pharmacist, or become good friends with google (only with reputable sites though).

However, if anyone wants to ask me about my own personal experience with bad breath, candida, anti fungals, etc., I will still gladly share that information as information only.

Anyway, I still intend on sticking around the forum and posting whatever information I come across in regards to bad breath.

[sadman]

I totally agree with Jimi and I understand his concern on the legal point of view of something wrong happening while taking prescription drug without a definitive diagnosis by a license doctor . A doctor will be sued if his patient died of liver failure due to Fluconazole he gave his patient presumably diagnosing that he had esophageal candidiasis without evident symptoms such as thrush , dysphagia , positive culture ....... .

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You can not use antibiotic for any kind of cold , flu illnesses and you can not use antifungal medicine for any kind of bad breath since the cause of bad breath is not 100% candidal infection . Actually I don't understand how can candidal infection causes a bad smell just as anaerobic bacteria cause BB because they produce VCS

[KeepTrying09]

You can not use antibiotic for any kind of cold , flu illnesses and you can not use antifungal medicine for any kind of bad breath since the cause of bad breath is not 100% candidal infection.

So with that line of thinking then you can not try tonsil removal because bad breath is not 100% due to the tonsils. And you can not try wisdom teeth removal because bad breath is not 100% due to wisdom teeth.

How many times do I have to say bad breath can be caused by numerous things. If you don't try different cures then how exactly are you supposed to find your cure? It surely isn't going to happen from sitting on your bottom and wishing for it....

Actually I don't understand how can candidal infection causes a bad smell just as anaerobic bacteria cause BB because they produce VCS

Oh, that's quite easy to answer actually. Just ask a woman who has ever had a vaginal yeast infection. She will tell you that the discharge smells absolutely horrible (LOL, not that I know, i've only read about it from google searches.)

Candida releases anywhere from 70 to 80 different toxins in your body as it feeds and proliferates. I would assume that one or several of these toxins is what causes a bad odor.

[Happylife]

I will allow you to help people, but I need the list of prices you are selling the anti fungals on my site.

If you don't do that, I will have to let you go, I hope you understand.

KeepTrying09, I believe you are not trying to make money and just trying to help people.

All Jimi asked for is, a List of prices for the stuff you are sending to people.
May be you can PM him , if u don't like to post here. I think it is a part of Jimi's effort to keep spammers away from the site.

[KeepTrying09]

Hey Happylife,

Thanks for your support. You are right that my intention is only to help people.

Also, thank you for your suggestion in regards to Jimi's request. I did see his request and I chose to ignore it. The reason why is that he is obviously uncomfortable with the legal aspects of offering prescription medications on his site. If that is his true motive behind asking me to stop, then money would play no factor in his decision. It wouldn't matter if I were offering them for $1 or $100 because the price would not absolve Jimi from any legal liability should it arise. Since his concern of any legal liability he might face is the primary reason he asked me to stop, then a price list is irrelevant.

Anyway, I have already complied with Jimi's request. I have edited all of my posts that mentioned anything about offering or shipping medications, I took my Instant Messaging screen names out of my signature, and I am no longer offering any medications on this forum. I believe that satisfies Jimi's primary concern.

[Jimi Stein]

Exactly what I predicted, I know you would now give me a list, rather you make yourself a victim. I dont want any money from you, I just dont want earn from the users of this site. That is why I need the list. But I knew I will not get it.

If you earn like 50 $ per package, you could easily push the meds. And I know living in Thailand can be really cheap too.

Sorry, but I think it is better this way. I am not liable for any serious damage these meds can do. Already some people just dissapeared from this board after claiming they will finish their life, so I already have a huge burden on my shoulders.

It is not easy to play with people life. And I am happy that people understand me, at least some. He did not want to give me a list, so I think there is something shady about this.

Again, only he was cured! I doubt that he was even really sick, maybe he had a minor bb. Nobody else was cured from this. He never gave me a full name of his doctor, only her name, and he claimed she dissapered - SHADY. If this thing would work, at least 20 % of people would find relief. THis is not candy, it can seriously ***k up your system, like antibiotics, can. It is getting worse and worse, first there was vitamin c - an ultimate cure, but that was not harmful ok, then extracting teeth, then probiotics, ok that is find too, i doubt somebody can die from then, but now serious meds without doctor approval. This is getting overboard I think.

I am sorry to you all but I dont want to harm anybody with this site. I am concerned about the safety of members on this site.

Can somebody else pm me how much was he selling the stuff, so I can check in the drugstore here in Thailand, i have the same access to the meds he has.

[KeepTrying09]

You have no idea if I am the only one who was cured or not by anti fungals Jimi. Sorry to say, but not everybody in the world who has bad breath visits your forum. And again, those people who do try a cure from your forum and find that it is successful rarely come back here and post their success stories. You only look at the people who have no success and then you say "Told you so, it is crap, doesn't work". If I thought like you then I would be left to believe that there is no cure for bad breath. Here's a clue, people come back to your forum if something doesn't work because they are still searching for their cure. People who find a cure from your forum usually never come back and post their success stories. I wish they would, but it doesn't happen like that. There are only a few of us who do, and I thank them for doing it because it gives people needed information and hope. And by the way, read your forum Jimi. There were some people who were cured by antibiotics permanently, and there were some people who found success with anti fungals. It might not be the number of people you find satisfactory, but it's still some people nonetheless.

And don't distort the truth Jimi, I did give you the name of my doctor. And I told you exactly where I was treated and which department I went to. And I didn't tell you she disappeared. I was told by the hospital staff that she was working at another hospital. If you live in Bangkok, how about you go to BNH hospital and check it out yourself instead of coming on the forum and calling me shady. I'm sure they can give you information as to where she is if you want to see her.

Since you are pushing the issue about the price list, I am going to push back. If you are only concerned about the legal liability of offering prescription medications on your forum, then why exactly is the price list important to you? Ever since I came to this forum you have been on a mission to prove that I am a spammer. If I tell you that I was not offering these medications at cost then you would just come out and say something like "Told you so, he's a spammer, you people are stupid, blah blah blah". Anyway, let's go ahead and get that out of the way. I was not offering these medications at cost, and I think most of the forum members understood that. I am taking the time to run around different pharmacies in Bangkok to find these medications, then find the pharmacy that offers a reasonable price, then buy them, then buy the packaging materials, then prepare the package, run to the post office, mail them, and then come back home. I'm taking the time out of my day to do this for the forum members. What exactly about selling them a little above cost makes you think that it is "shady"... Do you think that automatically makes me insincere in my desire to help people? Do you think that proves that i'm a fraud? Do you think that shows I never had bad breath and am only interested in financial gain? If you think like that then you are absolutely 110% wrong. And again, read your forum Jimi. The forum members who got the medications from me did not complain at all about the price. Instead they said the price was really cheap compared to what they could get them for back home or from another website.

I have my own opinion as to why you want the price list, but i'm not looking to start a war of words. I'm sure anyone who reads through your posts will draw the same conclusion...

[Jimi Stein]

The only motive for me why I want the price list is that I see what is your real motive, help people, or earn from them.

That is my motive, and that can be a real dealbreaker here on this site. This motive can create 2 kind of people, spammer and helpful person.

There is no other motive from me, I will never sell any meds on this site that can harm you. I could sell vitamins, natural stuff that I know is not dangerous, but antifungals is another story. Again you don't want to give the pricelist so that really puts your reputation in line.

We don't mind charging for your time, packaging, shipping, but no your prices are secret. And that is a strong evidence of something shady going on.

We all remember that idiot oceanside, who just disapeared after the deal with his "miracle" mouthwash fell apart. He wanished, not because of me, I am only one person on this board, There are 1000s of others people here.

And again you are acting like a victim here, just giving drugs to anybody if he pays, and not thinking about consequences.

[KeepTrying09]

I'm not keeping the price list secret. Those people who have gotten the medications from me know exactly how much I am charging for them. If any of those people feel like I am ripping them off or being shady, then I encourage them to post their concerns here so that I can address them. Again, I choose not to give you the price list because I have doubts as to your motives. I can only judge you from the posts you've made on this forum, but looking through all of them I just get a sense of your motives and it doesn't reassure me.

And how exactly are you going to judge if my motives are genuine or fraudulent from a price list? Is there a dollar limit that you feel makes the difference between someone trying to help and someone trying to spam?

You are blowing the dangers of anti fungals out of proportion and you have a false notion that all natural remedies are completely safe. Yes, anti fungals can have side effects, but the majority of those side effects are superficial. Rarely do any serious side effects present themselves if people follow the recommended advice from the drug manufacturer, which I have listed over and over on this forum. If anti fungals were these dangerous killer drugs which you seem to think they are, don't you think they would have been yanked from the market a long time ago? These medications are FDA approved, have been extensively researched, and have been in use and available to the general public for decades. I think people have a greater chance of harm from getting in their cars and driving to work everyday than they would ever have with taking a prescription medication. With that being said, I have always said it is up to the person who is taking the medication to weigh any potential risk with the possible benefits and decide accordingly if they want to try the medication or not. I do not "push" these medications on anybody.

I am not acting like a vicim at all. I completely think about the consequences of what I'm doing. Why do you think I refused to send Guzler the medications? Because he (or she) is a diabetic and that just so happens to be a condition in which you should be under the supervision of a doctor if you are going to try anti fungals, as is anyone who has a history of liver problems, a current liver condition, or a person who is immunocompromised such as an HIV or cancer patient. So for you to say that I don't care about the members here is just wrong.

Anyway, i'm not offering these medications anymore, so what exactly are we still talking about this for? Oh yeah, because you want to prove that i'm a spammer so you can be the hero of this soap opera....

[fellow_sufferer]

Hi,
I'd like to add that at my place we've got universal health care and prescription is not only necessary to buy anti-fungals but it also cuts off half of the price. I did the math and the supply I've bought from KT without prescription would cost me almost the same in the pharmacy 100m from where I live. So from my point of view the side effects and the result of treatment isn't exactly his concern. I appreciate his good will for helping people and I don't care if he's making an income because even if he did it would be really low. This treatment is like my last hope and it wouldn't be possible without him. I did some research and those meds are like 99,9% safe, lifesavers for some, believe me. I'm not trying to present you in a negative way Jimi you've brought us here together so we can try the option KT offers-an opportunity for a better life quality, it's up to us to decide. I understand your concerns but they won't heal our bb. That's what it's all about, right?

[Jimi Stein]

You failed to convince me and I can't allow you selling them anymore. People can send you pm, but otherwise stop.

As you mentioned people with liver problems, people who are diabetic. Do you think all people know that they have liver problems, and they might be borderline diabetic, they don't know? So you can ***k somebody really up. Do you think some desperate person who is diabetic will not try it, because of your story? How you know they are not diabetic? People are desperate here and you are giving them false hope. And yes cured person run away, doubt it, at least they post they are cured, they don't just disappear.

I don't want to be a hero, I am no hero really. I am just an ordinary man with bad breath, frustrated and sad as the rest of people here on this board.

This board is a community, I have put a banner of Therabreath on this site because the sponsor us, otherwise I would not.

So you either agree with the majority or not. Check other boards, for example, healthboards where many people came from on this board, if you only mention the name of some drug, you were immediately banned. However, here you are free to post anything, almost anything. Except shady stuff.

I recommend people to stop with antifungals, until now there should be some proof that the stuff works. It is not working, and I really doubt that if keeptrying would cure somebody that that person would run away. Stop with nonsense please.

[KeepTrying09]

You failed to convince me and I can't allow you selling them anymore.

As if anything I said would have convinced you otherwise? I doubt it. And I thought I made that clear, I'm not offering them on your forum anymore...

As you mentioned people with liver problems, people who are diabetic. Do you think all people know that they have liver problems, and they might be borderline diabetic, they don't know? So you can ***k somebody really up. Do you think some desperate person who is diabetic will not try it, because of your story? How you know they are not diabetic? People are desperate here and you are giving them false hope.

I would imagine that if someone had liver problems or a history of diabetes then they would know about it. If a person who is diabetic or a person who has liver problems decides to take a risk and try the medication then I cannot stop them, they are going to try the medication regardless of where they get it. But if I am aware of any condition that they have which would put their health at risk then I would 100% absolutely refuse to help them (as I have done already). You are right Jimi, people can withhold information from me, but people can also withhold information from their doctors, or they can just go to another doctor who is not familiar with their medical history and withhold information from them too. And people can go online and order god knows what from an online pharmacy that doesn't even list the potential risks or side effects that the medication could cause. I would hope and pray that people are not that careless with their lives. At least I am open and honest with the potential side effects and risks involved.

You think I am giving false hope because I shared my success story? I am not offering anyone false hope, because I have repeatedly said that this is not a sure fire cure for bad breath. It worked for me because a Candida infection was causing my bad breath. For others it might work and it might not work. If it works then great, if it doesn't work than I am truly sorry but at least people can move on to the next possible cure. Sometimes I really wonder if you read through your forum or not because I have said all of these things like 100 times already and you still bring them up in your arguments.

And yes cured person run away, doubt it, at least they post they are cured, they don't just disappear.

I'd beg to differ, but since there is absolutely no way of proving this it's pointless to debate it.

I don't want to be a hero, I am no hero really. I am just an ordinary man with bad breath, frustrated and sad as the rest of people here on this board.

And I am truly sorry for that Jimi. Even though we seem to be at odds with each other on this forum, I would never wish bad breath on anyone because I know what it does to a person's life. I wouldn't even wish it on my worst enemy. Seriously Jimi, if you are still suffering from bad breath, why don't you go to BNH hospital here in Bangkok and try to get some information about the doctor that I saw? If you want, I will even give the hospital a call for you and see if I can find out any information. Or you can call them yourself, the phone number is 0-263-0550 or 0-263-0560. Ask them to connect you to the gastrointestinal center. If they are able to find the cause of my bad breath then I'm sure they can find the cause of your bad breath. You should take advantage of the fact that you live in the same city as me and you are able to go to the same hospital I went to. I'm sure many members on this forum would give their right arm to be in your shoes.

I recommend people to stop with antifungals, until now there should be some proof that the stuff works. It is not working, and I really doubt that if keeptrying would cure somebody that that person would run away. Stop with nonsense please.

Of course that's your opinion, and I respect it. I wasn't talking about people that I have specifically sent the medications to as the ones who never come back to the forum and post if they are cured or not, I was referring to the thousands of people who visit this forum everyday who are not members, or those who are members but never post anything. Of course I wish that anybody who I sent the medications to would come back here and post their results, even if they are not cured. I want to hear from everybody i've sent medications to. Regardless if they are cured or not, it still provides valuable information that people should know.

[sadman]

KT wrote :

How many times do I have to say bad breath can be caused by numerous things. If you don't try different cures then how exactly are you supposed to find your cure? It surely isn't going to happen from sitting on your bottom and wishing for it....

It's unethical and unwise to give antifungal medicine to anyone just because candida infection might be a cause of his bad breath . You need to make a definitive diagnosis of fungal infection by clinical examination and if needed endoscopy and positive lab result before saying that someone have candidiasis which might be the cause of his bad breath and antifungal treatment is then needed and justified, just as you can try a tooth extraction , a tonsillectomy to get rid of your bad breath IF YOU HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS . That's why I said you can not presume that fungal infection is the cause of your BB and try antifungal medicine no matter what the cause is and what the side effects are .

KT wrote :

Oh, that's quite easy to answer actually. Just ask a woman who has ever had a vaginal yeast infection. She will tell you that the discharge smells absolutely horrible (LOL, not that I know, i've only read about it from google searches.)

The discharge from a vaginal yeast infection is usually odorless , that's what I read about from Google searches . Only bacterial vaginitis has a smelly discharge

# Bacterial vaginosis: This is characterized by thin, homogenous, malodorous white-to-grey vaginal discharge and pruritus. Vaginal pain or vulvar irritation is uncommon.
# Vaginal candidiasis: Pruritus is the most common symptom of vaginal candidiasis. This is accompanied by thick, odorless, white vaginal discharge (with an appearance similar to cottage cheese) that can be minimal. Usually, associated vulvar candidiasis is present, commonly with vulvar burning, dyspareunia, and vulvar dysuria (burning sensation when urine comes into contact with vulva skin).

[Jimi Stein]

KT wrote :

How many times do I have to say bad breath can be caused by numerous things. If you don't try different cures then how exactly are you supposed to find your cure? It surely isn't going to happen from sitting on your bottom and wishing for it....

It's unethical and unwise to give antifungal medicine to anyone just because candida infection might be a cause of his bad breath . You need to make a definitive diagnosis of fungal infection by clinical examination and if needed endoscopy and positive lab result before saying that someone have candidiasis which might be the cause of his bad breath and antifungal treatment is then needed and justified, just as you can try a tooth extraction , a tonsillectomy to get rid of your bad breath IF YOU HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS . That's why I said you can not presume that fungal infection is the cause of your BB and try antifungal medicine no matter what the cause is and what the side effects are .

I agree 100% it is not candy