XYLITOL
Hi Iva,
It was possibly my post that you read that you read when you say 'Someone had claimed he had been cured with XYLITOL'.
Heres the link to my initial post viewtopic.php?t=3012
I never posted a reply to this question you raised because I never saw it!! It might be an idea if you have a question, to post it on the initial thread that resulted in your question!! That way people following it via email notifications will know there has been an update!!.
Your question was not even in the same category as my original thread!! 'General about bad breath' vs 'my story'. This is the first time since joining this forum that I have ever been to the 'my story' section. I would have expected more of a 'master'.
Anyway to answer your question, you will notice from my posts that Xylitol has not worked as I thought it would, but then you would also notice that (at some point) I mention that the dentist who recommended it did not have BB as her main objective, rather oral hygiene (although admittedly she has said to some people who have emailed her that it would help with BB..........but you know, thats what she thinks, she has not researched into BB, and probably thinks there is a simple cure for BB, but I digress).
I still get reactions from people, some days better, some days worse but PERSONALLY, my mouth feels cleaner and my saliva no longer stinks (eg when I do the lick test), but again in my thread, I have attributed this change probably to the system of mouthwashes I am using NOT xylitol.
Also, I no longer have plaque buildup (again probably due to the mouthwashes, I dont know). Basically, I am still using the system as I feel I have made a step in the right direction due to the personal reasons I have mentioned above (although I am still getting reactions, so to the outside world, I am where I was!!).
I tried to put as much information on my thread, as well as what I would consider objective updates, so if you want to know what the progress was on that, then please go read the original thread.
To be honest, I now use the mouthwashes religiously every morning (except weekends when I give my mouth a rest). I chew xylitol gum (i have stock of 2 flavours), and sometimes, but very rarely now, mix xylitol in water and swish around. I find changing things around sometimes works, in that you could have a good day one day, but it wouldnt necessarilly carry on the following day.
It is a trial and error process, and you can either carry on trying to resolve it, or get fed up and try to live with it. At the moment my next plan of action is to extract a tooth that has a broken filling (an appointment is already booked for this), and then after that extract a very tricky partially erupted wisdom tooth (no date set yet), and then take stock after that.
Obviously with the results with the xylitol, I was excited and posted on here after the first good day, but have now learnt to wait at least a week to see if a possibility holds before posting, part of it was due to not understanding how these bacteria operate.
Of course, it might not have been my post that you read at all, in which case my excessive cynicism is misplaced, and I apologise. But I don't think you have found it easily if instead of posting my reply on here, I went and started another thread entitled 'Answer to Iva's XYLITOL question' in some other section of this vast website (say 'venting'!!)
PS: Hopelessone, I'm sorry but if you do ANY research on xylitol, the first thing that comes up after the benefits of it etc etc is that you should NEVER give it to dogs. For whatever reason, it affects them differently. I would challenge you to find if xylitol has ANY side effects on HUMANS!!
Therefore without even opening the link you posted, I can tell it is redundant (from the 'dosstuff' at the end).
It seems you "Gods, Super Gods, Masters and Sheriffs" have been on here for so long that you have given up trying to find something that would help with this, and instead hang aroung here waiting to shoot down anything that us the 'newbies' think of!!
I might be seeing a lifecycle trend here...... maybe by the time I am a 'God' I will be just like you......
Newbie: "I've got an idea...................."
Me:
Well, I better go check on my fantasy football team now, its the one thing I seem to be winning!!!!
It was possibly my post that you read that you read when you say 'Someone had claimed he had been cured with XYLITOL'.
Heres the link to my initial post viewtopic.php?t=3012
I never posted a reply to this question you raised because I never saw it!! It might be an idea if you have a question, to post it on the initial thread that resulted in your question!! That way people following it via email notifications will know there has been an update!!.
Your question was not even in the same category as my original thread!! 'General about bad breath' vs 'my story'. This is the first time since joining this forum that I have ever been to the 'my story' section. I would have expected more of a 'master'.
Anyway to answer your question, you will notice from my posts that Xylitol has not worked as I thought it would, but then you would also notice that (at some point) I mention that the dentist who recommended it did not have BB as her main objective, rather oral hygiene (although admittedly she has said to some people who have emailed her that it would help with BB..........but you know, thats what she thinks, she has not researched into BB, and probably thinks there is a simple cure for BB, but I digress).
I still get reactions from people, some days better, some days worse but PERSONALLY, my mouth feels cleaner and my saliva no longer stinks (eg when I do the lick test), but again in my thread, I have attributed this change probably to the system of mouthwashes I am using NOT xylitol.
Also, I no longer have plaque buildup (again probably due to the mouthwashes, I dont know). Basically, I am still using the system as I feel I have made a step in the right direction due to the personal reasons I have mentioned above (although I am still getting reactions, so to the outside world, I am where I was!!).
I tried to put as much information on my thread, as well as what I would consider objective updates, so if you want to know what the progress was on that, then please go read the original thread.
To be honest, I now use the mouthwashes religiously every morning (except weekends when I give my mouth a rest). I chew xylitol gum (i have stock of 2 flavours), and sometimes, but very rarely now, mix xylitol in water and swish around. I find changing things around sometimes works, in that you could have a good day one day, but it wouldnt necessarilly carry on the following day.
It is a trial and error process, and you can either carry on trying to resolve it, or get fed up and try to live with it. At the moment my next plan of action is to extract a tooth that has a broken filling (an appointment is already booked for this), and then after that extract a very tricky partially erupted wisdom tooth (no date set yet), and then take stock after that.
Obviously with the results with the xylitol, I was excited and posted on here after the first good day, but have now learnt to wait at least a week to see if a possibility holds before posting, part of it was due to not understanding how these bacteria operate.
Of course, it might not have been my post that you read at all, in which case my excessive cynicism is misplaced, and I apologise. But I don't think you have found it easily if instead of posting my reply on here, I went and started another thread entitled 'Answer to Iva's XYLITOL question' in some other section of this vast website (say 'venting'!!)
PS: Hopelessone, I'm sorry but if you do ANY research on xylitol, the first thing that comes up after the benefits of it etc etc is that you should NEVER give it to dogs. For whatever reason, it affects them differently. I would challenge you to find if xylitol has ANY side effects on HUMANS!!
Therefore without even opening the link you posted, I can tell it is redundant (from the 'dosstuff' at the end).
It seems you "Gods, Super Gods, Masters and Sheriffs" have been on here for so long that you have given up trying to find something that would help with this, and instead hang aroung here waiting to shoot down anything that us the 'newbies' think of!!
I might be seeing a lifecycle trend here...... maybe by the time I am a 'God' I will be just like you......
Newbie: "I've got an idea...................."
Me:
Well, I better go check on my fantasy football team now, its the one thing I seem to be winning!!!!
Hi Haligone,
I never meant you, I meant Xyli, who had claimed she `d been cured with the help of xylitol. Here`s the link to her post
viewtopic.php?t=2980&highlight=xylitol
Rest assured that a 'master" would know the difference between the different cases, I never said u had been cured this way.
I was not the one to put my post in any category, these categories mean nothing to me, I do not know who distributes the posts there and frankly, I do not care.
Next time u make assumptions, do me a favour and make some investigation aforehead.
I never meant you, I meant Xyli, who had claimed she `d been cured with the help of xylitol. Here`s the link to her post
viewtopic.php?t=2980&highlight=xylitol
Rest assured that a 'master" would know the difference between the different cases, I never said u had been cured this way.
I was not the one to put my post in any category, these categories mean nothing to me, I do not know who distributes the posts there and frankly, I do not care.
Next time u make assumptions, do me a favour and make some investigation aforehead.
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I bought a tub some time ago and use it before i go to work as a mouth wash, (after brushing my teeth).
I do find it refreshing and it gives me a confidence for maybe an hour after using it.
But like the majority of this forum, xylitol isn't going to help with the bigger issues of bad breath.
If you are getting bad odours from your nose/stomach how is something that cleanses your mouth going to help?
I do find it refreshing and it gives me a confidence for maybe an hour after using it.
But like the majority of this forum, xylitol isn't going to help with the bigger issues of bad breath.
If you are getting bad odours from your nose/stomach how is something that cleanses your mouth going to help?
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Iva,
Your theory is good UP TO A POINT. Yes, bad breath is mostly due to an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the mouth, but there is an underlying reason for that. And there could be a number of different causes.
If you just want to attack the anaerobic bacteria, you can do that by scraping your tongue, brushing it with an antibacterial toothpaste and then rinsing your mouth with an antibacterial rinse. I have been doing this after regular brushing and flossing. I would say it cuts down on my breath odor by about 80% and the effect lasts about 8 hours. So it gets me through most of the day.
However, this is not a cure because it does not get at the underlying cause of the problem. So the coating on my tongue and the odor always comes back. In my case I suspect the problem is in my intestines, and as long as that problem is not eliminated, the bad breath will always come back.
Your theory is good UP TO A POINT. Yes, bad breath is mostly due to an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the mouth, but there is an underlying reason for that. And there could be a number of different causes.
If you just want to attack the anaerobic bacteria, you can do that by scraping your tongue, brushing it with an antibacterial toothpaste and then rinsing your mouth with an antibacterial rinse. I have been doing this after regular brushing and flossing. I would say it cuts down on my breath odor by about 80% and the effect lasts about 8 hours. So it gets me through most of the day.
However, this is not a cure because it does not get at the underlying cause of the problem. So the coating on my tongue and the odor always comes back. In my case I suspect the problem is in my intestines, and as long as that problem is not eliminated, the bad breath will always come back.
The hand we are dealt is fate. How we play the cards is free will.
Phantasist,
basically I agree with u. The overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria is the result of another problem. And in most cases it is very hard (or impossible) to find it out. One can only guess and try different things in order to find what the underlying cause of the problem may possibly be.
Do u really believe that the intestines are that closesly related to the oral ecology? A lot of people would attack me for that question, but I`m not a doctor nor a biologist, I just feel the underlying cause is more probably closer to the mouth.....
In my case I `ve been lingering between the stomach issues and the acute pharyngitis in the past (accompanied by a LOT of phlegm which might have been the perfect environment for the anaerobs). If it`s about the stomach issues, the situation is hopeless for me; however if it`s about the former acute pharyngitis, I believe I can change my oral ecology eventually.
Brushing, flossing, rinsing or every other effort in that direction helps me only for a very short time, it can`t get me through the day
basically I agree with u. The overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria is the result of another problem. And in most cases it is very hard (or impossible) to find it out. One can only guess and try different things in order to find what the underlying cause of the problem may possibly be.
Do u really believe that the intestines are that closesly related to the oral ecology? A lot of people would attack me for that question, but I`m not a doctor nor a biologist, I just feel the underlying cause is more probably closer to the mouth.....
In my case I `ve been lingering between the stomach issues and the acute pharyngitis in the past (accompanied by a LOT of phlegm which might have been the perfect environment for the anaerobs). If it`s about the stomach issues, the situation is hopeless for me; however if it`s about the former acute pharyngitis, I believe I can change my oral ecology eventually.
Brushing, flossing, rinsing or every other effort in that direction helps me only for a very short time, it can`t get me through the day
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Iva,
In answer to your question, yes, I believe that intestinal problems can be related to bad breath. I read many years ago that an Asian doctor (forgot the name) said that a coating on the tongue can be a sign of some intestinal infection. I have had digestive problems for many years and I believe my bad breath is due to that because there seems to be no other reason for it.
In your case, however, the reason might be the inflamation in your pharyngeal area which you say is producing excessive phlegm. I would also think that phlegm is a perfect environment for anaerobes. So you're probably right to concentrate on that area. Is there no way to relieve the pharyngitis?
You also mention "stomach issues", but don't give any details. There could be a number of things wrong there. I had pains in my stomach for 25 years (after eating hard to digest food), but was able to cure that by drinking Coca Cola on an empty stomach. I found out that there is something in the Coke syrup that can heal small ulcerations in the stomach walls.
In answer to your question, yes, I believe that intestinal problems can be related to bad breath. I read many years ago that an Asian doctor (forgot the name) said that a coating on the tongue can be a sign of some intestinal infection. I have had digestive problems for many years and I believe my bad breath is due to that because there seems to be no other reason for it.
In your case, however, the reason might be the inflamation in your pharyngeal area which you say is producing excessive phlegm. I would also think that phlegm is a perfect environment for anaerobes. So you're probably right to concentrate on that area. Is there no way to relieve the pharyngitis?
You also mention "stomach issues", but don't give any details. There could be a number of things wrong there. I had pains in my stomach for 25 years (after eating hard to digest food), but was able to cure that by drinking Coca Cola on an empty stomach. I found out that there is something in the Coke syrup that can heal small ulcerations in the stomach walls.
The hand we are dealt is fate. How we play the cards is free will.
Phantasist,
I have also read that Asian doctors think that a coating on the tongue can be a sign of some intestinal infection, but white coating on the tongue does not necessarily mean one has halitosis.
Do u have any theory about the mechanism of halitosis, caused by intestinal problems? Because I have theories about halitosis, caused by PND or silent reflux (which I believe might be my problems)
I have almost no PND now, but the damage is done and now I can`t fight my anaerobic overgrowth..
Regarding my stomach issues - I have written tons of posts on the topic, but cut the long story short - I believe I have silent reflux which might have led to halitosis
I have also read that Asian doctors think that a coating on the tongue can be a sign of some intestinal infection, but white coating on the tongue does not necessarily mean one has halitosis.
Do u have any theory about the mechanism of halitosis, caused by intestinal problems? Because I have theories about halitosis, caused by PND or silent reflux (which I believe might be my problems)
I have almost no PND now, but the damage is done and now I can`t fight my anaerobic overgrowth..
Regarding my stomach issues - I have written tons of posts on the topic, but cut the long story short - I believe I have silent reflux which might have led to halitosis
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Iva,
If I understand you correctly, you feel that you have an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the mouth due to acute pharyngitis which prduced a lot of phlegm in the past, but is apparently cured. You say there isn't much PND, but feel that the PND in the past and possibly silent reflux caused a permanent change for the worse in the microfloral ecology in your mouth.
Well, I know nothing about silent reflux.
As far as the microbial imbalance in your oral environment is concerned, I would think that the antibacterial components in your saliva should have restored a normal environment when the pharyngitis ended. If it didn't, then maybe it is because of the silent reflux. But who knows?
I can make a suggestion which you might try. In addition to regular brushing, scraping the tongue, brushing the tongue with an antibacterial toothpaste and using an antibacterial rinse, you could introduce ORAL probiotics to your mouth. I have recently bought Evora plus from Oragenics at Wallgreen's (60 tablets for $20.00). These are tablets that you dissolve on your tongue. They are supposed to put the good bacteria in your mouth. I use one tablet about 5 hours after oral hygiene so that the antibacterial substances don't kill the good bacteria along with the bad. So far I have noticed some improvement, but a few days isn't enough time to know if this will really work. But the idea of going after the anaerobes and alternately introducing the good bacteria might have some benefit.
If I understand you correctly, you feel that you have an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the mouth due to acute pharyngitis which prduced a lot of phlegm in the past, but is apparently cured. You say there isn't much PND, but feel that the PND in the past and possibly silent reflux caused a permanent change for the worse in the microfloral ecology in your mouth.
Well, I know nothing about silent reflux.
As far as the microbial imbalance in your oral environment is concerned, I would think that the antibacterial components in your saliva should have restored a normal environment when the pharyngitis ended. If it didn't, then maybe it is because of the silent reflux. But who knows?
I can make a suggestion which you might try. In addition to regular brushing, scraping the tongue, brushing the tongue with an antibacterial toothpaste and using an antibacterial rinse, you could introduce ORAL probiotics to your mouth. I have recently bought Evora plus from Oragenics at Wallgreen's (60 tablets for $20.00). These are tablets that you dissolve on your tongue. They are supposed to put the good bacteria in your mouth. I use one tablet about 5 hours after oral hygiene so that the antibacterial substances don't kill the good bacteria along with the bad. So far I have noticed some improvement, but a few days isn't enough time to know if this will really work. But the idea of going after the anaerobes and alternately introducing the good bacteria might have some benefit.
The hand we are dealt is fate. How we play the cards is free will.
Phantasist,
thanx for bothering to reply and give some advice. Perhaps we should be having this discussion in another thread so that more ppl could benefit from it...
You get my ideas right - I feel that I have an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the mouth due to acute pharyngitis in the past or LPR at present. I also think oral probiotics should be the right chioce to restore oral flora, but K12 did nothing in that direction nor did GUM Periobalance.
I can`t find any info about the active ingredient of EvoraPlus...
U say nothing about your theory on the relation between halitosis and intestinal flora...
thanx for bothering to reply and give some advice. Perhaps we should be having this discussion in another thread so that more ppl could benefit from it...
You get my ideas right - I feel that I have an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the mouth due to acute pharyngitis in the past or LPR at present. I also think oral probiotics should be the right chioce to restore oral flora, but K12 did nothing in that direction nor did GUM Periobalance.
I can`t find any info about the active ingredient of EvoraPlus...
U say nothing about your theory on the relation between halitosis and intestinal flora...