Heart Disease/Candida and Bad Breath

[andgodinventedbb]

It is a well known fact that gum disease can result in heart trouble. But what if the reverse is also true, that heart disease/congenital heart problems can directly affect one's breath? Perhaps a malfunction in one of the valves from the heart denies the vessels in the tongue and mouth area its needed blood supply. How many of us feel like our tongue is inert or basically dead? And also, because blood carries many essential nutrients, it can certainly affect saliva output.

Every now and then I feel a sharp pain in my heart and it seems like it beats somewhat irregularly. Do any of you have sporadic heart pain or murmurs or any kind of heart trouble? I am thinking of seeing a doctor for this, maybe get an ECG or MRI done.

This is just something I'm throwing out there because frankly, I've tried virtually everything I can try. I did a test for Celiac's Disease just this last week and it came back negative, so it's prob. not gluten allergy. Last year, I had an endoscopy, doctor claimed my stomach was in good form but that I had H. Pylori (which doesn't conclude anything at all. Most humans have H. Pylori in their gut). I took antibiotics/Omeprazole assiduously for months to no avail. I did a CBC (complete blood count) a couple months back and the doctor said my WBC count was low, and that my red blood cells were slightly a smaller volume than average, which he attributed to a possible deficiency in iron or Thalassemia, which is incurable. I've been on iron, B12, Probiotics, sometimes folic acid for months now. Nothing has changed. Again the WBC count and RBC volume made me think of a possible heart defect (which the doctor didn't mention, but what do they know, really?)


Thing is, I'm certain I have post-nasal drip and acid reflux, but I know many people who have this and don't have BB. Actually I think many non-BB sufferers have silent acid reflux and have sinus problems. I worked with a guy once who had a terrible case of sinusitis, he smoked like a chimney and had questionable hygiene but his breath still smelled 100X better than mine! I seriously doubt that either of these are the cause of our problem. I used a neti pot religiously one time for about a month. My sinuses would get cleared but would get f*ed up again after a few hours. And acid reflux, I don't think, is bad enough to cause the kind of BB most of us complain about.


Even intense oral hygiene, which I partake in, I think is a waste of time, a baseless ritual, except maybe to allay the smell for an outing or something. This is NOT the answer. It will NEVER cure BB. Many non-BB folks can go for days without brushing their mouth and still not smell half as bad as most of us. We need to think even further out of the box.


Aside from my inquiries into a possible congenital heart defect (a family member also recently complained of heart problems) or other organ (liver, gall bladder, small intestine, e.t.c) problems, I think diet is the next step. Candida sounds to me like a very probable culprit, because firstly, it is next to impossible to stay away from sugar, meaning giving in to just one craving of sugar can cancel out months of hard work. And also yeast reproduces extremely rapidly, which would explain why it takes so long for the diet to yield results and why so many people give up on the diet.


But I'm willing to beat this thing. I've already thrown away all sources of sugar from my kitchen cabinets and stocked up on veggies, nuts, meats, eggs, and all the other good stuff. I'm also gonna set a date with a doctor for a heart check-up (which I hate, and will surely cost me tons), But guys let's face it, no one gives it to you, you have to take it. Dentists know f**k all about BB. Even less so doctors. Let's not give up yet. Please no more posts about s*****e, as this website is a brotherhood of suffering minds and what you type can greatly affect another. A living dog is better than a dead lion. We'll beat this fu**ker.


A little insight into my private life. I currently work in a cafeteria type setting where I have to take orders from people and cook it on the spot. I speak to about 300-350 people a day. It's more stressful than a mutha and I often get laughed at to my face, comments/gestures are made, but what should I do, sit on my ass and cry and indulge in self pity? Heck no. I did that for too long. These people are no better than I am. What I do is each day after work as I leave the building (I work 11-12 hr shifts) is, I take a massive spit on the floor outside. This symbolizes that everything negative that occurred to me that day has been left behind. Then I go on and try and have some fun, albeit as a semi-hermit I watch old movies (I love European movies from the '60s, '70s), i read books, I love cooking, I learn French, I write. I haven't been with a girl in some time now even though I am considered very attractive. Some of the female customers even flirt with me/ask me raunchy questions despite the BB, but right now I choose to be alone which in all honesty can get extremely lonely but is doable. I do not want a relationship in which the second party thinks they are doing me a favor by sticking around, or pouring sympathy upon me or one in which I can't fully express myself. The last relationship started off well, lots of great sex, but ended up like a drumstick up my ass



I digress, I know, but it feels good to share one's pain and state of mind from time to time. Cheers to everyone, and I would appreciate feedback on the heart disease/candida topic. Bonne chance and live life to the fullest. Ignore the comments, the haters, be bold, you have done nothing wrong, just some physiological anomaly is all.


And, yes, I would be interested in getting to know some of the female members on here as long as things are kept respectable and on the QT A relationship with someone who completely understands is the only type i would even remotely consider right now. Ladies, PM me if you like.

[halitosisux]

Interesting post and the facts are all correct, I agree with every bit you've said, except for the "candida", but there's no harm in trying measures against candida - except that only person I know of that succeeded in getting cured was because he had actual candidiasis in the esophagus, which was diagnosed and treated accordingly with fluconazole. Generally if you take fluconazole and you've never taken it before, you'll also succeed if your problem is candidiasis somewhere in the body. If it's in the sinuses it might be a different story though, and require higher dosages and for much longer duration, and even that isn't guaranteed.

The main reason I'm replying though is the heart link. Very interesting. I've never heard or even thought about it before. But when you think that many cases of bad breath are bloodborne, it's perfectly feasible that the odour might be originating in the arteries as opposed to being absorbed from somewhere else, like the gut, into the bloodstream.

I've heard jimi say many times that he suffers with heart and chest pain and health related matters relating to the heart. I've heard many others say the same thing too.

If the arteries could be the culprit, then it makes sense that if heart problems can be caused by gum problems, that the same bacteria are getting into the arteries and the biofilms they form there are formed of the same pathogenic bacteria that played a role in the gum problems in the first place, and therefore they could be producing the same odour as they would normally in gum disease, except they are now doing it in the arteries.

Maybe this is why diets can have such immediate impact on breath too, because of the different types of nutrients that get into the bloodstream. Drinking green smoothies for example, having such a good impact.

[Phantasist]

Andgodinventedbb,

Your post is very interesting, but I don't think heart disease has anything to do with bad breath. I don't think doctors would support that theory.

I have a friend who has partial "bundle branch blockage" on one side of his heart, and his pulse rate sometimes shoots up over 100 beats per minute. But he never has bad breath. So I think you're going too far afield in looking for the underlying cause.

I agree with the rest of your post and your positive attitude. Only your name is a little unfortunate. God did not invent bad breath. It is as you say, some physiological anomaly in our bodies. If we can determine that anomaly, we are halfway there.

[Prince]

Hii and*inventedbb
If you wanna do the candida diet here is what you have to do. I started on sunday.
1. First, starve the Candida by eliminating the foods that feed it.

2. Second, to kill the Candida through the use of anti-Candida products.

3. Repopulate the bowel flora with a high-potency probiotic such as Culturelle which contains 20 billion live bacteria.

4. Regulate the dysbiosis and convert the pathological, mycelial form of Candida back to the normal form.

5. Restore biochemical balance to the body and strength to the immune system, which will allow the body once again to regain and maintain control over Candida growth by optimizing the diet – this would involve avoiding food intolerances and following the Metabolic Type Diet by Wolcott combined with the Blood Group diet by Dr. Peter D’Adamo.

it is literally impossible to treat Candida if one does not cut out ALL forms of sugar, and that includes fructose from fruit sources. The foods that should be strictly AVOIDED for a 3-month period include:

* SUGAR – and all foods that contain sugar. These include white and brown sugar, honey, syrups, liquors, lactose, fructose, all confectionary and sweet cakes, chocolates, ice-creams, home-made sweets and cakes, biscuits, fizzy beverages, all fruit drinks.

* YEAST – and all foods that contain yeast including breads, vinegar, ketchups, mayonnaise and pickles.

* FRESH AND DRIED FRUIT – all fruit whether fresh, cooked, tinned or dried. These should be avoided for the initial SIX WEEKS ONLY – your health practitioner will advise you when to begin eating fruit again. Obviously this includes fresh fruit juices (vegetable juices are OK), as well as marmalades.
MUSHROOMS – all types, including Chinese mushrooms such as Shitake.

* REFINED FOODS – all white flours, white rice, white pasta products, cornflour, custard and white cereal products, unless they are wholemeal or organic.
FERMENTED PRODUCTS – all alcoholic beverages, vinegar and all vinegar products such as ketchup, mayonnaise and pickles.

* NUTS – all types of nuts that are cleaned and packaged without their shells – these have a tendency to collect fungal spores and moulds from the atmosphere which will antagonize the Candida. Nuts that are fresh with their shells are OK.

Most other foods are allowed. Fruit is cut out of the diet for 6 weeks, and all the other foods mentioned above are disallowed for a period of 12 weeks. In the meantime, there are other nutritional supplements, herbs and homeopathics that you can take.

[andgodinventedbb]

Your friend's having a blockage in his heart and not having bad breath might be because the affected part of his heart does not supply blood to his tongue or mouth. And I repeat, what do doctors know? Gone are the days when people went into medicine for passion. It has turned into a strict business in which most of the practitioners don't even deserve a license. I'm sure I know more about BB/TMAU than most doctors. Go to any one right now complaining about BB, and nine times out of ten their response will be "Brush your teeth twice a day, floss, use mouthwash". But we all know this is BS. Even gum disease will hardly cause severe BB. I tell you I've seen folks with horrible gums, plaque bad enough to make one retch, filthy brown teeth, and yet when they speak their breath smells like f**king lavender. I majorly doubt that our problem originates from the mouth.


The username if you notice is spelled with a small "g". I mean no disrespect to the Big Guy Upstairs, it's just a wry, ironic statement on what I see sometimes as a certain curse.

[mike987]

Hii and*inventedbb
If you wanna do the candida diet here is what you have to do. I started on sunday.
1. First, starve the Candida by eliminating the foods that feed it.

2. Second, to kill the Candida through the use of anti-Candida products.

3. Repopulate the bowel flora with a high-potency probiotic such as Culturelle which contains 20 billion live bacteria.

4. Regulate the dysbiosis and convert the pathological, mycelial form of Candida back to the normal form.

5. Restore biochemical balance to the body and strength to the immune system, which will allow the body once again to regain and maintain control over Candida growth by optimizing the diet – this would involve avoiding food intolerances and following the Metabolic Type Diet by Wolcott combined with the Blood Group diet by Dr. Peter D’Adamo.

it is literally impossible to treat Candida if one does not cut out ALL forms of sugar, and that includes fructose from fruit sources. The foods that should be strictly AVOIDED for a 3-month period include:

* SUGAR – and all foods that contain sugar. These include white and brown sugar, honey, syrups, liquors, lactose, fructose, all confectionary and sweet cakes, chocolates, ice-creams, home-made sweets and cakes, biscuits, fizzy beverages, all fruit drinks.

* YEAST – and all foods that contain yeast including breads, vinegar, ketchups, mayonnaise and pickles.

* FRESH AND DRIED FRUIT – all fruit whether fresh, cooked, tinned or dried. These should be avoided for the initial SIX WEEKS ONLY – your health practitioner will advise you when to begin eating fruit again. Obviously this includes fresh fruit juices (vegetable juices are OK), as well as marmalades.
MUSHROOMS – all types, including Chinese mushrooms such as Shitake.

* REFINED FOODS – all white flours, white rice, white pasta products, cornflour, custard and white cereal products, unless they are wholemeal or organic.
FERMENTED PRODUCTS – all alcoholic beverages, vinegar and all vinegar products such as ketchup, mayonnaise and pickles.

* NUTS – all types of nuts that are cleaned and packaged without their shells – these have a tendency to collect fungal spores and moulds from the atmosphere which will antagonize the Candida. Nuts that are fresh with their shells are OK.

Most other foods are allowed. Fruit is cut out of the diet for 6 weeks, and all the other foods mentioned above are disallowed for a period of 12 weeks. In the meantime, there are other nutritional supplements, herbs and homeopathics that you can take.

I've seen this time and time again... But I don't think I've ever seen a success story from this.. Did it work for you? It's an outrageous diet, .. does the body not need some sugars?? 3 months, no less... Is this possible? Have human beings done this and have eliminated BB????

Your other thread, prince, about trying an anti candida diet for a couple weeks to see if it helps... I think I might try that when I'm off work over christmas... I'm thinking I'll just eat nuts, chicken, and rice... nothing but, I guess... Maybe eggs. I should soon find out if my BB goes away or not...

[AliD]

Candida is a SCAM! You don't have to look very far to see that. I was convinced that I once had it. It was created to uncover ALLERGIES. It will only work if you stop eating what it is you are allergic to via the diet. On the 'official' candida website there throw products at you, the main one being threelac which has been discovered to be a SCAM.

I went on the diet for 6 days and my kidneys started to pack up because of ketones in my blood.

It makes my blood boil when people on here promote the 'diet'.

Real candidiasis thrives in AIDS patients and babies. Immune systems that are collapsing which allow micro-bacteria to go out of control.

Try and find ANYONE who has actually had systemic candida that has been diagnosed, treated and cured. And I'm not talking about vaginal/oral thrush.

You can not cure it with a diet. That is, that you would actually have it which would be impossible unless you were on your death bed.

Psyllium husk and bentonite clay is a SCAM! You don't have to look far to see it.

note - this is not aimed directly at the creator of this topic but there needs to be increased awareness of the candida diet scam.

[mike987]

I tend to agree with you.

But because our BB is a mystery to modern medicine, we find ourselves looking in every corner, easily convinced of things that sound wacky...

But BB on it's own.. that's wacky, too.


My immune system must be weak.. I have sinus infections 75% of the time, (As evidenced by dark mucus), allergic to animals, plants, dust, etc... get sick fairly often, ... My immunity seems to have gone up a bit since I started gorging on food..

But I think the reason it may be low is because I'm not absorbing the nutrients I need, because my digestion is whack... Still, every morning, my shit is like wet mud... Disgusting, I'm sorry, but I don't understand why. .. It was this way, even when all I ate was fibrous foods, so it's not a lack of fiber.

My stomach seriously begins hurting if I don't get food after I become hungry.. Just last week, I was getting so hungry.. I felt strong pains coming from a specific spot.. Ulcer, again? My stomach acids are out of control, apparently, and the only thing to stop it is to throw food at it.

I don't know where the BB comes into play... I used to think candida was a crock of crap... then I bought into it.. then I thought it was crap.. then I became convinced again.... It's just so hard when you don't know what your problem is... But I'm inclined to disregard all this information that mysteriously has no real proof.

To Prince... I think you should do what halitosissux says... Do the diet yourself.. come back when you're cured, and then tell us all about it. Right now you speak as if a matter of fact, but you yourself haven't had a successful experience. Even if there is something to candida, you can't blame the skepticism. There is irrefutably a ton of bogus info, tests, and claims surrounding candida that either scare off BB victims, or just confuses the hell out of them.

[Prince]

Mike987 Please read my latest post in the aloe vera post.
Try the candida diet only for two weeks and see after how you feel. Without any fruit or nuts even. You can eat chiken and fish, but avoid the red meat. You can eat alots of vegetable and organic and whole grain food. I eat the whole grain pasta instead of the brown rice because i feel better with it and it contain less sugar. After a week you should see some results if candida is your problem. Your bb will go down to 3 on a scale and your poop will not stink or have any odor. Your tongue will be red and you will have better saliva. You will feel by your self if candida is your problem. Its worth a try belive me.

Hii AliD
Have you heard of chemtrails?

[Prince]

Mike987
I have sinus infections 75% of the time, (As evidenced by dark mucus), allergic to animals, plants, dust, etc... get sick fairly often,
I had those problems and a week with oil pulling they disappeard. I have no more sinus problem after that. Its important to brush your tongue at the very back and use hydrogen peroxide. When you get the mucus try to take it out by the nose and not by your mouth, you will see some results very fast.

my shit is like wet mud... Disgusting,
Same problem i had. It only happens to me when i eat sugar or a meal without vegetables or without fibers.

My stomach seriously begins hurting if I don't get food after I become hungry.. Just last week, I was getting so hungry.. I felt strong pains coming from a specific spot.. Ulcer, again? My stomach acids are out of control, apparently, and the only thing to stop it is to throw food at it.
Exactly the problem i had too. Thats why i started the warrior diet. The problem here is that when you feel real hungry and you stomach is hurting, thats because you have been eating simple carbs or sugar. Simple carbs only give you energy for 1-2 hours. The whole grain gives you energy and you feel measured for 4-5 hours. Try to eat simple carbs before going to sleep and when you wake up, your stomach will hurt from hunger. Thats why iam doing the warrior diet with one meal a day and a lots of whole grain pasta to feel measured under the day at work. In the beginning of the warrior diet i was soo hungry the first 3 days at work, then after those three days my body get used to it and i have never have this feeling again.

I used to think candida was a crock of crap... then I bought into it.. then I thought it was crap.. then I became convinced again.... It's just so hard when you don't know what your problem is
Thats why i think many people dont get cured. If you wanna try something do it right and give it time to see if this realy is your problem. Dont do it for two weeks or a month if you see results and then stop. Just keep on going and have patience

To Prince... I think you should do what halitosissux says... Do the diet yourself.. come back when you're cured, and then tell us all about it. Right now you speak as if a matter of fact, but you yourself haven't had a successful experience
Read my last post in aloe vera. And please stop using those words like iam a little child. If just my english was better i would explain everything much better and tell you about my life. You people dont know anything about me and yet you judge me instead of asking me questions. I have done many things in my life, i have a very strong will and are capable to do what i want. Many people sees up to me and how much i know. I have helped many people and untill today they thanks me. So please dont tell me what to do i know what am talking about.

[AliD]

Mike987 Please read my latest post in the aloe vera post.
Try the candida diet only for two weeks and see after how you feel. Without any fruit or nuts even. You can eat chiken and fish, but avoid the red meat. You can eat alots of vegetable and organic and whole grain food. I eat the whole grain pasta instead of the brown rice because i feel better with it and it contain less sugar. After a week you should see some results if candida is your problem. Your bb will go down to 3 on a scale and your poop will not stink or have any odor. Your tongue will be red and you will have better saliva. You will feel by your self if candida is your problem. Its worth a try belive me.

Hii AliD
Have you heard of chemtrails?

yes, the silly theory that the government are trying to poison us all with false contrails? Do you have BB or just sinus issues/bowel problems or both? If candida was such a widescale problem we would know to it. It blatently does not exist. We are people whose conditions make us vulnerable. We all have candida, on our skin, hair, mouth but we all have working immune systems too! I have spoken to doctors who are aware of candida, and it does exist in mild forms of thrush externally and internally.
It is dangerous diet, listen to what happens to people during the first 2 weeks of it. It is not candida 'die-off' but severe malnurishment. Very similar in fact to the cabbage soup diet which I have the book of, the first few pages are WARNINGS not to prolong it, and guess what? It has made millions of pounds/dollars. I do not reccomend. I can confirm that it exists in aids patients, the sick and elderly and babies. There is a cure for these people and it is antifungal MEDICATION. Not a diet. It is a very clever, dark scheme.

[hali_grl]

andgo

your theory seems interesting to me as well i get the sporadic heartbeat and yes my tongue feels very dead. I know I have a blood deficiency because I have the trait of sickle cell (not full blown). This sporadic heart seem like it can be related to the ileocecal valve syndrome that I did a post on before. I believe sporadic heartbeat was one of the symptoms which is why among others I thought I have this problem.

Prince
I've tried the candida diet, the supplements, and the homeopathic treatments. It didn't work for me.

My grandmother died of stomach cancer and she always had bad breath that why I know without a doubt this orginates from my digestive tract. Whether its due to indigestion, reflux, etc. thats another issue. When i get insurance i want to see a gastro specialist because of my heredity i should start looking there.

[a1densmom]

I also get sharp pains in my heart at times. It feels like those nasty gas pains that I can feel in the area, but I know that these ones are not gas pains.

I love your idea, and your positive attitude.

"Your friend's having a blockage in his heart and not having bad breath might be because the affected part of his heart does not supply blood to his tongue or mouth."
I do want to tell you though that the blood in the heart is not designated for certain areas. The blood is the blood, and when it goes up the ascending aorta, then branches off, the blood will mix up and take its path through one of the three branches off the aortic arch. So, this bad blood would always end up all over the body. I have studied blood tracing and anatomy. It wouldn't miss the tongue every time.[/quote]