Chlorophyll-effective supplement-worried abt Copper toxicity

[terranpatriot]

Hello all. Lately, and by lately I mean for the last 4 months, I have been taking a Chlorophyll supplement called BioMint. It comes in the form of a tiny oblong tablet, with the color and texture of dark green chalk, if you would. Anyways, the reason I feel the need to specify this is because I have tried a lot of different chlorophyll supplements in the past, including Nature's Way Chlorophyll Liquid, Nature's Way Chlorofresh Soft Gels, as well as GNC's Triple Chlorophyll soft gels. The liquid had no effect, aside from coating my tongue in dark green. The soft gels yielded nothing. The BioMint, however, does provide a slight sense of relief. Granted, it does not get rid of, nor does it mask it completely, but it masks it enough for me to notice the reduction and give me a little more mental security and confidence, directly as a consequence from both the reduction of bad taste, and knowing that I took it and knowing that it's reduced my breath issues a little. As a result of this confidence, I engage with people with less restraint, by convincing myself that my breath, while not perfect, may still be at bay, and I talk to people around a foot or so away from them without too much worry. However, I have a few concerns.

Firstly, the supplement has either decreased in its effectiveness (still works, but doesn't provide the level of relief that I recall from my first time trying it) or there are some bad batches out there. I order it off amazon, which has several vendors/sellers. Depending on who you order from, you may get them in a blister pack, or a small plastic Supplement container/bottle. I have noticed that some batches are more effective than others. Some of them are complete bunk, even though they are sealed, unopened, and well within the expiration deadline. These ones I also notice are not as dark green in their color, rather the color looks a little bit faded. I have received this type in both some blister packs and some bottles. I think I need to make sure I take note after I purchase from a seller of a good batch, so I'll know what to expect. However, like I said earlier, the effectiveness of them has gone down a tad. I used to be able to take just 2 a day, and they would help a lot (one in the morning before work, and one maybe before the gym or leaving my house in the evening. Nowadays, however, I am finding myself taking about 1.5-2 in the morning, and another 1.5-2 some other time in the day. Is it possible that my digestive system is growing tolerant to Chlorophyll? Chlorophyll is a compound, not a medication, not a chemical that works to change the way the body works, but instead the pigment neutralizes sulfur in its internal processes and metabolization (not through antibiotic effects or anything particularly physiological. It's just like an air freshener, an 'internal deodorant' as some call it). So I'm wondering, how am I growing tolerant to something like this? I have thought it was my digestive tract, but I take digestive enzymes, exercise, drink plenty of waters, have done loads of probiotics for long periods of time, etc. I am concerned about thinks working at first and then dropping in effectiveness. I'm not surprised when it happens with antibiotics, but with a pigment like Chlorophyll? Are the bacteria really working hard to produce stronger VSC's (which are merely a byproduct from them and not the purpose of their existence) just to endure the Chlorophyll? Makes no sense.

Also, i am concerned about the high copper content in all Chlorophyll supplements. They are all either derived from copper (they all contain high amounts of copper). Is this safe to take on a daily basis for extended periods of time? Is copper toxic, or excreted from the body?

[halitosisux]

Hi, have you tried other types of intestinal odour absorbers/neutralizers?

[terranpatriot]

Halitosisux,

Besides drinking baking soda, not really. Are there any you can recommend?

[mike987]

That Zeolite stuff might be worth considering, but we're still waiting on word on its effectiveness.

[halitosisux]

We hear so many times how even the craziest things we throw at this problem seem to make a difference, which always tends to wear off eventually. There's got to be a common reason for this phenomenon which probably relates in some way to the same physiological reasons behind placebo effects.

Even in my own case, where a gum pocket discharge turned out to be the underlying cause, I repeated experienced exactly the same situation that so many people with this problem describe, where there's an immediate improvement followed by a gradual decline back to zero effect.

I wish I knew what causes this phenomenon. I think microorganisms must have some way of "knowing" when they are under attack and they respond accordingly. So, unless the underlying cause is discovered and dealt with, it just becomes a perpetual cycle of temporary success and disappointments.

The reason why I asked whether you've tried other types of intestinal odour absorbers/neutralizers is because if you find that they also give you the same kind of improvement, then it further reinforces the possibility that in some way the underlying cause of your BB relates to your intestinal tract. TMAU is a prime example of what I'm trying to say here - I'm not saying that you have TMAU, but the pathways where trimethylamine production in the gut leads to bad breath could be very similar to other very similar intestinal-related bad breath.

So it may be worth trying some of the measures that TMAU sufferers use, such as charcoal tablets and medications which can reduce the absorption of bad smelling chemicals through the intestinal wall.

[terranpatriot]

Thanks all, interested in giving Zeolite a try. Also that MMS stuff I've heard mentioned around a few times. The Chlorophyll is great for masking. I use it when I have big things lined up, but I found myself using it more and more often, because after a while you start categorizing everything as significant enough to not have BB during. That's when the drop in effectiveness occurs.
Thanks.

[Virtuous Viking]

Just to chip something in, I started using 5 gum watermelon flavor about a week ago and I think I've been getting less reactions. People almost seem to like the smell even (hope I'm not pushing my luck!). My mouth also feels/tastes much fresher when I use it. Don't know if it'll work as well for others, but just thought I'd share.


And no, I'm not an agent for Wrigley Company

[Tibya]

Halitosisux,

Besides drinking baking soda, not really. Are there any you can recommend?

Hi ,
Excess Baking soda can be harmful, but if it is needed, its needed. There are quite a few unani medicine, blood purifier and they have worked well for some not for all. Safi blood purifier, Jawarish Jalinus (Especially for bb if intestine is the cause of bb). The scary part of these, from what I have heard from my mom is they may side effects (just because they are natural they are not 100% safe), if we do not follow the diet plan depending on individual body reaction. Unani medicine is one of the oldest form of medicine which works on finding the cause of disease rather than masking it temporarily. And they usually do not give instant 2-3 week remedy. Diet restrictions and eliminating it from root are the foundation of this medicine.
Also, taking these religiously in the right amount is the key. I tried both the above and it did not take my bb away. But I am not ruling them out, because I was not taking them as directed nor was I on a low oil, vegan diet. With my life style, kids and running around I cannot cook everything fresh as suggested.
BTW, Safi has been banned in UK because large levels of arsenic found in it. It is still used in India, but not as widely as allopathy.
After Steve Jobs alternate medicine usage, I am not very keen on any alternate medicine unless I check with my physician about it.
This is just for information purpose.