Laser Procedure

[yogs]

I had an appointment with Dr Krespi today. Guess what, he said that he couldn’t detect any odor. I was so disappointment coz that’s the last thingI had expected from him after having the BB issue for 10 years and almost every1 (doctors) saying the same thing. Trust me people I am a real person with a genuine problem and I have recently met in person with some other sufferers from breathhelp4u group just to discuss our problem (if at all any proof is needed). In fact, his assistance even said that maybe u don’t have halitosis. I felt very bad after traveling all the way to New York and listening to this same old crap.
He checked my gums, tongue, teeth, throat and sinuses and he said everything looked fine and said he couldn’t detect any odor. He asked me if I had brushed my teeth recently or used a mouthwash which I had in the morning. He suggested I come back some other time with alteast 8 hrs from me using mouthwash or brushing. Well, I had used peroxide at 5 am in the morning(I left house at 6am) and my appointment was at 2.30 well past his required 8 hrs but he didn’t buy it. I had done the same routine as everyday and within minutes of brushing as well I get reactions from people. He asked me if I scrap my tongue which I do after every meal. To be honest, I felt like he had no clue what was going on and he tried to dodge my Qs. After having met so many doc’s over years I think I can make out who’s is faking.(No eye contact, trying to end the conversation etc) My local ENT had confirmed about me having halitosis just weeks ago and I think I posted my exp on this site.
However, Krespi mentioned that I had few tonsil pockets which were empty and asked if I get tonsils stones. I do get tonsil stones every morning, to which he RECOMMENDED that I get the laser procedure done and MAYBE that will help.
I had already got the impression that it wouldn’t help my BB but since I had spent time and money to travel to NY, I opted for Laser for few empty pockets he saw in my tonsils. I asked for a before and after pic but he said that u wouldn’t be able to make out the difference. Anyways, the laser procedure took less than 10 minutes and now I am home and it hurts a lot. And from what I have read from others experience I think its gonna be like that for 10 days.
I wasn’t expecting for a miracle with laser but was looking forward for his diagnosis and after the meeting I really don’t think its gonna help but I tried and I guess will lead me to focus on other things. Maybe its too early to say that but my gut says it was just another thing which will not work. I will keep u guys posted about it.

PS: This was my personal experience and I don’t mean to discourage any1 who wants to try as there is 1 testimony from some1 who was cured.

[baguio]

@yogs - Firstly, well done on taking another step towards a solution. Even if this particular treatment does not materialise as the answer we are all looking for, all we can do is keep doing the right things ie. trying new treatments as they emerge.

Its early days for you as regards an outcome on the laser treatment. Please report back in a few weeks. Many here will be interested to see what your experience is.


As regards the suggestion being made to you that you dont have halitosis at all, I have been in exactly the same position.

I have had a number of halimeter tests over the past few years and none of them have been high. I was really frustrated, confused and upset when it was suggested to me that maybe I didnt have halitosis.

As I see it, there are a number of possibilities;
1. Haliphobia
2. Halitosis isnt constant - it doesnt manifest itself at the same intensity all of the time. And perhaps it simply isnt there some of the time.

1. Haliphobia
Can only discuss this with reference to my own experiences obviously. If this is what I have, then I have a far greater problem than Bad Breath! These thoughts only entered into my mind as a result of the low halimeter test readings. When that happened, it really had me very confused. I havnt discussed this problem with anyone and my situation isnt such that I can get someone to monitor my problem. However, there are clear indications to me that there is a problem. I don't believe that I am imagining the regular commentary on my problem ie. people saying stuff to others within earshot. Taking the most notable and most recent example. Two weeks ago, a guy I worked with closely suggested that our boss had halitosis and asked me what I thought of it - this was in the presence of another work colleague. It was a clear and blatant attempt to embarrass me. Now if I imagined that, then jimi is right in what he once suggested (this is the matrix we are living in!).

2. Halitosis isnt constant
This one I am very confident about. Even though its more or less impossible to smell ones own breath, there are other indicators of it. In fact right this minute, I feel my breath is very bad as it feels 'hot' as I expire it out of my mouth. My system is very dry following a very very heavy night out (ie drinking). I think it is more or less accepted by all here that anything that dehydrates the system will add to the level of bad breath. Furthermore, chinese medicine refers to bad breath in terms of 'heat from the gut/stomach' - and as I mentioned, I feel my breath is 'hot'. There are other times when it is not - nor do I feel dehydrated.
I had a couple of consulatations with a Dr. Benno Raddatz (curious if anyone here has visited him near stuttgart ...Jimi?) a few years ago. Whilst the halimeter test he performed didnt show a high reading, there were other indicators of a problem. He took swabs from the back of the tongue and other places. These samples were then grown in agar solution in petri dishes. When he got back to me, he said that some of them had a clear fecal smell - which should not be the case.

Anyways, I am rambling here but I suppose Yogs we have to be open to all possibilities including haliphobia. We have to have a heightened awareness as to when we feel the problem is worse, etc.

[Jimi Stein]

Yogs that is great

I hope it works out fine for you.

But lets stop here at halitophobia. I have never met a person who would imagine he had bad breath. For example me my bad breath has been confirmed by my girlfriend that it is present all the time and is strong.

And then this bastard of a son my doctor claimed I do not have it and he almost put his nose in my mouth that bastard
Also he has horrible bad breath sometimes and I am so happy so he can see that lying to others is not good.

He s such a bastard, he is clueless what is going on so he lies. I really hate these people.

But why would you get reactions from other people if you have halitophobia, why would they offer you gums, touch noses all the time, cough, do not talk to you, go out of the bar quickly when you talk etc.............

But maybe they are some people like that

SO yogs do you get reactions from others, do they offer you gums, cough alot?

Maybe Krespi saw how desperate you were and so he did not say that you have it? Maybe that is the reason. Also did halimeter give you high readings?

[baguio]

But lets stop here at halitophobia.

I felt exactly the same about it Jimi when it was suggested. Whilst it made me question my own sanity at the time, I still worked it out for myself to a point that I am confident that is not the issue. Its possble that it is being suggested in cases where there is no substance to the treatment being offered. However, we cant expect that this is always the case. As per my post above, I firmly believe (in my case at least) that bad breath is not omni-present - and its greater in its intensity sometimes and not at other times.

But maybe they are some people like that.
SO yogs do you get reactions from others, do they offer you gums, cough alot?

Thats why I mention it Jimi. We need to keep our minds open. There are likely to be people who *think* they have a problem. Having said that, I believe its less likely that they are long term sufferers like many of the people that call in here.[/i]

[baguio]

But lets stop here at halitophobia.

I felt exactly the same about it Jimi when it was suggested. Whilst it made me question my own sanity at the time, I still worked it out for myself to a point that I am confident that is not the issue. Its possble that it is being suggested in cases where there is no substance to the treatment being offered. However, we cant expect that this is always the case. As per my post above, I firmly believe (in my case at least) that bad breath is not omni-present - and its greater in its intensity sometimes and not at other times.

But maybe they are some people like that.
SO yogs do you get reactions from others, do they offer you gums, cough alot?

Thats why I mention it Jimi. We need to keep our minds open. There are likely to be people who *think* they have a problem. Having said that, I believe its less likely that they are long term sufferers like many of the people that call in here.

[yogs]

Of all things I am very sure I DO NOT have Halitophobia(I wish i did). I almost said to the doc that would he let me stay around with him if he thinks there is no odor. There maybe people with halitophobia but I am not. I can list countless example where I had to suffer humilation and embrassment due to this problem.

[Jimi Stein]

But here is the tricky part, some people may lie to you at all time, like my parents, my mother would rather kill me than admit that I have bad breath and at the same time she treat me like shit, telling people around me that they must not tell me that I hae bad breath etc........

She is a crazy person and people like that makes your life harder. If you can not trust your parents who will you trust.

Btw my mother have some serious issues going on and she is under meds.

[yogs]

Of all things I am very sure I DO NOT have Halitophobia(I wish i did). I almost said to the doc that would he let me stay around with him if he thinks there is no odor. There maybe people with halitophobia but I am not. I can list countless example where I had to suffer humilation and embrassment due to this problem.

I think krespi saw that I was desperate and he said that. Katz was the one before him who said the same.

[baguio]

But here is the tricky part, some people may lie to you at all time, like my parents, my mother would rather kill me than admit that I have bad breath and at the same time she treat me like shit, telling people around me that they must not tell me that I hae bad breath etc........

Yes, its a good point. You have to be selective in whos feedback you get. As you suggested above, family members may say theres no problem - although generally their intention will be a good one (even though we know its misguided).
Friends may do the same - some people don't want to be the bearers of bad news. Basically , its not nice to tell someone they have a 'hygiene problem' (even though we know it as an incurable disorder, the common misconception is that its a hygiene issue).
Practicioners may take this way out because the treatment that they offer lacks any substance (and they know it) - but these would be in the minority in my opinion. It doesnt have to be present (the problem that is) 24/7.


I think the best feedback can be gotten via indirect comments made by work colleagues. If this is occuring the odd time, could be just a case of paranoia. But if its something thats happening on an ongoing basis, then there has to be some truth in it.