http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html
*also note that E. faecalis is common in people's mouth's too. i think i had one that produces that dead fish smell though
restoring the "healthy" mouth flora
restoring the "healthy" mouth flora
this website lists the bacteria commonly found in different parts of the body. i have had excellent results thus far using s. salivarius from Dr. Katz in combination with natural yogurts. i think if we looked for probiotics that have the ++ signs, we could achieve normal breath. i feel like, if restoring s. salivarius to my mouth can make such a great difference, hopefully adding some of the others will too.
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html
*also note that E. faecalis is common in people's mouth's too. i think i had one that produces that dead fish smell though
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html
*also note that E. faecalis is common in people's mouth's too. i think i had one that produces that dead fish smell though
S. Salivarius is basically scam. It might help some in several ways just because it's a beneficial strain of bacteria (but only in 2% of the population that has it in high quantities), but the research is made up by J.R. Tagg. & holds no water in a peer reviewed setting.
The company, BLIS, was going belly up with their "throat guard" Salivarius product so in order to keep afloat, they decided to go out on a limb and use the exact same product to penetrate the Bad Breath market. So they made up some studies and found "great success" in it.
The chances of it helping anyone but a very small few of us is very slim, imo. Tagg's own research shows that in subjects with a natural flora consisting of high amounts of S. Salivarius, only 2% of them produce the lantibiotics from S. Salivarius that kills the bad breath bacteria. These are people who have it naturally - who's mouths accept this strain as easily as our mouths accept bad breath bacteria.
If we are to use this strain, way less than 1% of us will see relief because our mucosal surfaces & saliva do not fit the criteria in this order 1.) Receptors, 2.) Colonization and 3.) Synthesis
We probably do not have enough the receptors for this bacteria to attach onto in any significant quantities nor the right proteins and peptides in our saliva to promote colonization and synthesis of lantibiotics.
But our best bet is to do ust as you and I are doing: consuming as many different strains of beneficial bacteria we can and hope many take hold.
I'm just not fond of S. Salivarius and the way it was pushed into the market.
The company, BLIS, was going belly up with their "throat guard" Salivarius product so in order to keep afloat, they decided to go out on a limb and use the exact same product to penetrate the Bad Breath market. So they made up some studies and found "great success" in it.
The chances of it helping anyone but a very small few of us is very slim, imo. Tagg's own research shows that in subjects with a natural flora consisting of high amounts of S. Salivarius, only 2% of them produce the lantibiotics from S. Salivarius that kills the bad breath bacteria. These are people who have it naturally - who's mouths accept this strain as easily as our mouths accept bad breath bacteria.
If we are to use this strain, way less than 1% of us will see relief because our mucosal surfaces & saliva do not fit the criteria in this order 1.) Receptors, 2.) Colonization and 3.) Synthesis
We probably do not have enough the receptors for this bacteria to attach onto in any significant quantities nor the right proteins and peptides in our saliva to promote colonization and synthesis of lantibiotics.
But our best bet is to do ust as you and I are doing: consuming as many different strains of beneficial bacteria we can and hope many take hold.
I'm just not fond of S. Salivarius and the way it was pushed into the market.
jc wrote:thanks sweets07. i`ve already printed & filed it in my bb files.
now that made me laugh, u have a cabin, and folder where u put all BB information....under B....for breath 
I like the way some people here really put their time into research about bb, but we an't do anything without doctors. I say we should DEMAND cure...u know, when the workers don't get enough money they organise protests, so should we, who's with me?
Re: restoring the "healthy" mouth flora
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well i agree that this is most likely a scam, but the "results" i experience seem pretty legit. i use quotes because, for me at least, waking up in the morning and not smelling dead fish on my toothbrush after brushing my teeth is a blessing. i'm sure you would all agree. i talked to someone up close this morning after my routine and she started blinking really hard. don't know what that meant, but i guess i can just assume my breath has some strong smell. whether it's a bb smell or a "halitosis" smell i don't know.
also, i made the assumption that the e. faecalis is fecal smelling, so i wouldn't freak out about the strep strain possibly having that effect. if it did, your probiotics would smell like feces.
also, i made the assumption that the e. faecalis is fecal smelling, so i wouldn't freak out about the strep strain possibly having that effect. if it did, your probiotics would smell like feces.
hey asshole, i`m a businessman not a doctor but you`re saying that i don`t have the right to research on something that`s ruining my life. maybe you are a mild case so you`re not as worried as me. do your protest to doctors & let me do my own business and yeahj i have a room full of bb files & unused bb products. you probably have a photographic memory,well i don`t so shut up.Ice wrote:jc wrote:thanks sweets07. i`ve already printed & filed it in my bb files.
I like the way some people here really put their time into research about bb, but we an't do anything without doctors. I say we should DEMAND cure...u know, when the workers don't get enough money they organise protests, so should we, who's with me?
Man u don't have just bb problem, u also have an attitude problem!
That was supposed to be a joke! And I really can not imagine a "bussinessman" would talk that way.
I said I like the way how some people put their time into research!!
And no I am not a mild case!
this time it really was hard for me to stop myself from throwing some insults at u, but that's not my style....
That was supposed to be a joke! And I really can not imagine a "bussinessman" would talk that way.
I said I like the way how some people put their time into research!!
And no I am not a mild case!
this time it really was hard for me to stop myself from throwing some insults at u, but that's not my style....
I was thinking that I am sensetive due to BB issue I have ,specialy at work,
but can't believe people have problem here with each other while sharing ideas,pains,experiences ,......
I mean we are all the same just little bit different extend of BB.
If outside nobody likes us ,help us,and care about our problem, we need each others support to go through this to find the cure.
I feel lonely every where except here.there were many times ,here you ppl helped me to think and make best decision.
come on none of us has intention to insult others.Btw I have filed my records too.
but can't believe people have problem here with each other while sharing ideas,pains,experiences ,......
I mean we are all the same just little bit different extend of BB.
If outside nobody likes us ,help us,and care about our problem, we need each others support to go through this to find the cure.
I feel lonely every where except here.there were many times ,here you ppl helped me to think and make best decision.
come on none of us has intention to insult others.Btw I have filed my records too.
Chill JC, I dont think he meant any disrespect, I actaully thought kind the same thing like "wow, he prints stuff and files it away!" But more fire to u, ur doin ur research!jc wrote:hey asshole, i`m a businessman not a doctor but you`re saying that i don`t have the right to research on something that`s ruining my life. maybe you are a mild case so you`re not as worried as me. do your protest to doctors & let me do my own business and yeahj i have a room full of bb files & unused bb products. you probably have a photographic memory,well i don`t so shut up.Ice wrote:jc wrote:thanks sweets07. i`ve already printed & filed it in my bb files.
I like the way some people here really put their time into research about bb, but we an't do anything without doctors. I say we should DEMAND cure...u know, when the workers don't get enough money they organise protests, so should we, who's with me?
yeah, I don`t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. It was an honest response of appreciation I guess. I couldn`t delete it anymore when I realized it sounded weird & funny. I just thought people won`t notice it or just let it go. Ice`s joke probably pinched a nerve cuz I am really serious when it comes to bb. I do things that I never did when I had normal breath. I`m turning into a weirdo & I don`t like it. I thought he was belittling me & making fun of something that I am so passionate about. So Ice if you didn`t have any intention of insulting me then I`m sorry but if you did then f**ck you(just kidding bro). I`m chill if you`re chill.findacure wrote:Chill JC, I dont think he meant any disrespect, I actaully thought kind the same thing like "wow, he prints stuff and files it away!" But more fire to u, ur doin ur research!jc wrote:hey asshole, i`m a businessman not a doctor but you`re saying that i don`t have the right to research on something that`s ruining my life. maybe you are a mild case so you`re not as worried as me. do your protest to doctors & let me do my own business and yeahj i have a room full of bb files & unused bb products. you probably have a photographic memory,well i don`t so shut up.Ice wrote:
I like the way some people here really put their time into research about bb, but we an't do anything without doctors. I say we should DEMAND cure...u know, when the workers don't get enough money they organise protests, so should we, who's with me?