In order to obtain information on what would be the best treatment for us I need to collect the our best practices that reduce or kill the malodor.
There are a lot of sources for bad breath, we need to isolate them.
So far these are the sources.
Tongue ( coated and dry mouth). In this case I took two good practices informed by John (Tug Brus) and Coeric (Biotene). I apply biotene in my mouth and leave it for 30 second the use the tugbrush to get rid of the coating on the tongue, It works excellent. I have to say the bacteria come back again, but I see less coating in my tongue.
I need best practices in the following items
Tonsil ???/
Throat,
PND
Digestion system
Liver
WE have to document all our best practice to come out with a holistic solution.
I have another question for you guys. Who has dry skin, I am try to correlate liver function with bath breath and dry skin, I know two people who has halitosis and dry skin. I am one of those. I am taking approach soon on medication to clean the liver, I will tell you the results.
As I said above we need to document our good practices to come out with a good result. I am going to find to cure for this ****ing problem
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All I do is tung brush + tung gel after I brush my teeth. Gets rid of most of the coating and when it comes back its not as bad.
Also, I dont have dry skin . I only get a little dry skin on the sides of my mouth and under the eyes/around the upper part of the nose and all that only after I wash my face. I put creme on that spots always after washing my face. But that happens only on winters and spring plus it started last winter and I dont think it has anything to do with bb because I had bb waaaaay before. I think it was because of a face soap I used because it started for the first time like 2 months after I started using this new face soap which dried my skin (I used clearasil before).
Also, I dont have dry skin . I only get a little dry skin on the sides of my mouth and under the eyes/around the upper part of the nose and all that only after I wash my face. I put creme on that spots always after washing my face. But that happens only on winters and spring plus it started last winter and I dont think it has anything to do with bb because I had bb waaaaay before. I think it was because of a face soap I used because it started for the first time like 2 months after I started using this new face soap which dried my skin (I used clearasil before).
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Careful cleaning of one's mouth is vital. Brush under tongue, throat and tongue. Literally push and brush the toothbrush as far as you can in your throat. I use only normal toothpaste. Brush again with hydrogen peroxide, throat included. Rinse with hydrogen peroxide. Rinse with clean water. Chew gum. Drink water every 1-2 hours, brush always after eating.
Information to share
Seven Common Sources of Oral Malodor
1. Mouth and tongue sources
2. Nasal, nasopharyngeal, sinus, and oropharyngeal sources
3. Xerostomia-induced oral malodor
4. Primary lower respiratory tract and lung sources
5. Systemic disease-induced malodor
6. Gastrointestinal diseases and disorders-induced malodor
7. Odiferous ingested foods, fluids, and medications
Oral and Non-Oral Detection Methods
1. Self-monitoring oral malodor tests
2. Spousal and friend/confidante feedback
3. Spoon Test
4. Home microbial testing
5. Wrist-lick test
6. In-office oral malodor testing
7. Odor Judges
8. Microbial and fungal testing
9. Salivary incubation test
10. Artificial noses including the Halimeter®
Management of Oral and Non-Oral Malodor
1. Local chemical/antibacterial methods
2. Systemic antibacterial methods
3. Mechanical debridement of the tongue
4. Salivary stimulation and/or substitutes
5. Nasal mucous control methods
6. Avoidance of foods, fluids and medications
7. Correction of anatomic abnormalities
8. Medical management of systemic diseases
As you can see all the freacking problem we have and so far there is not a solution to it. Major challenge to solve, a lot of research, we have to check the universities of California (UCLA, and others) they are pushing a little a bit in this area. We can propose them to be tested in their development. JIm tried to contact a doector who work on STAMP.
So far what can help.
- Enzymes that promote saliva, some toothpastes have these ingredients there are three types of enzymes that promote the saliva
- Chewing sugarless gum (apparently with zinc, some tea extraction and Cinnamon is recommended)
- Drink water
I am testing some products related to liver, then I will try on the digestion system. I will try only safe stuff. I will keep infrom of the result.
Seven Common Sources of Oral Malodor
1. Mouth and tongue sources
2. Nasal, nasopharyngeal, sinus, and oropharyngeal sources
3. Xerostomia-induced oral malodor
4. Primary lower respiratory tract and lung sources
5. Systemic disease-induced malodor
6. Gastrointestinal diseases and disorders-induced malodor
7. Odiferous ingested foods, fluids, and medications
Oral and Non-Oral Detection Methods
1. Self-monitoring oral malodor tests
2. Spousal and friend/confidante feedback
3. Spoon Test
4. Home microbial testing
5. Wrist-lick test
6. In-office oral malodor testing
7. Odor Judges
8. Microbial and fungal testing
9. Salivary incubation test
10. Artificial noses including the Halimeter®
Management of Oral and Non-Oral Malodor
1. Local chemical/antibacterial methods
2. Systemic antibacterial methods
3. Mechanical debridement of the tongue
4. Salivary stimulation and/or substitutes
5. Nasal mucous control methods
6. Avoidance of foods, fluids and medications
7. Correction of anatomic abnormalities
8. Medical management of systemic diseases
As you can see all the freacking problem we have and so far there is not a solution to it. Major challenge to solve, a lot of research, we have to check the universities of California (UCLA, and others) they are pushing a little a bit in this area. We can propose them to be tested in their development. JIm tried to contact a doector who work on STAMP.
So far what can help.
- Enzymes that promote saliva, some toothpastes have these ingredients there are three types of enzymes that promote the saliva
- Chewing sugarless gum (apparently with zinc, some tea extraction and Cinnamon is recommended)
- Drink water
I am testing some products related to liver, then I will try on the digestion system. I will try only safe stuff. I will keep infrom of the result.
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I have digestion issues - that i am trying to seriously address. I also have dry itchy skin. Tendency to get dry around the anal and genital areas. under control right now. About the stress issue from another thread : could it be that stress reduces the flow of gastric juices, i e reduces the acidity in our stomachs, this in turn results in the bad bacteria dominating the good ones, which in turn results in a reduction of mucuous, dry mouth and skin and ofcourse BB. 3 different dermatologists have told me that while the profession is not sure about the cause of acne they believe it is related to stress. Also a friend of mine brought an interesting connection between lack of sleep, digestion issues and acne. He didn't mention BB. I don't know the answers but I think a holistic approach is important. most general practitionars just don;t know enough and look for simple answers and most specialists don't see the big picture. The reason why this Candida BS has had many takers for a long time is because it provides an answer that explains many different problems we face. I think the explanation has more to do the bacteria in ou stomach. Several ancient cultures link bad breath (and acne) to poor digestion. I'm not sure about the answers but I think you are asking the right question.
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Effects of metal salts on the oral production of volatile sulfur-containing compounds (VSC)
A. Young11Department of Cariology,, G. Jonski22Clinical Research Laboratory,, G. Rölla22Clinical Research Laboratory, and S. M. Wåler33Department of Prosthodontics, Faculty of Dentistry, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway1Department of Cariology,2Clinical Research Laboratory,3Department of Prosthodontics, Faculty of Dentistry, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Abstract
Abstract
Background, aim:
Halitosis, mainly caused by bacteria located on the posterior dorsum of the tongue and in periodontal pockets, is due to formation of volatile sulfur compounds (VSC). The hypothesis to be tested was that the affinity of a metal for sulfur determines its anti-VSC activity.
Method:
Clinical tests were carried out on 12 subjects who rinsed with cysteine to induce halitosis (baseline) before rinsing with 7.34 mM ZnCl2, SnF2 and CuCl2. Mouth air VSC analyses were repeated following cysteine rinses at 1 h, 2 h and 3 h using a gas chromatograph. In vitro experiments tested toxic metals Hg2+, Pb2+ and Cd2+. 10-μl aliquots of metal salts were added to 1-ml aliquots of human whole saliva from 30 subjects. Samples were incubated overnight at 37oC and saliva headspace was analyzed for VSC in a gas chromatograph.
Clinical results:
Cu2+>Sn2+>Zn2+ (supports hypothesis). Zn2+ had significantly less anti-VSC effect compared with Cu2+ and Sn2+ at 1, 2 and 3 h. In vitro results indicated that Hg2+, Cu2+ and Cd2+ had close to 100% anti-VSC effect, and that Pb2+ was less effective and Cd2+ more effective than expected in inhibiting VSC.
Conclusions:
Apart from Hg2+ and Cu2+, the metals had a significantly greater effect on H2S than on CH3SH. Cu2+ and Hg2+ have well-known antibacterial activity and may presumably also operate by this mechanism.
A. Young11Department of Cariology,, G. Jonski22Clinical Research Laboratory,, G. Rölla22Clinical Research Laboratory, and S. M. Wåler33Department of Prosthodontics, Faculty of Dentistry, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway1Department of Cariology,2Clinical Research Laboratory,3Department of Prosthodontics, Faculty of Dentistry, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Abstract
Abstract
Background, aim:
Halitosis, mainly caused by bacteria located on the posterior dorsum of the tongue and in periodontal pockets, is due to formation of volatile sulfur compounds (VSC). The hypothesis to be tested was that the affinity of a metal for sulfur determines its anti-VSC activity.
Method:
Clinical tests were carried out on 12 subjects who rinsed with cysteine to induce halitosis (baseline) before rinsing with 7.34 mM ZnCl2, SnF2 and CuCl2. Mouth air VSC analyses were repeated following cysteine rinses at 1 h, 2 h and 3 h using a gas chromatograph. In vitro experiments tested toxic metals Hg2+, Pb2+ and Cd2+. 10-μl aliquots of metal salts were added to 1-ml aliquots of human whole saliva from 30 subjects. Samples were incubated overnight at 37oC and saliva headspace was analyzed for VSC in a gas chromatograph.
Clinical results:
Cu2+>Sn2+>Zn2+ (supports hypothesis). Zn2+ had significantly less anti-VSC effect compared with Cu2+ and Sn2+ at 1, 2 and 3 h. In vitro results indicated that Hg2+, Cu2+ and Cd2+ had close to 100% anti-VSC effect, and that Pb2+ was less effective and Cd2+ more effective than expected in inhibiting VSC.
Conclusions:
Apart from Hg2+ and Cu2+, the metals had a significantly greater effect on H2S than on CH3SH. Cu2+ and Hg2+ have well-known antibacterial activity and may presumably also operate by this mechanism.
Conclusion
Until recently, bad breath received little attention in the curricula of most medical and dental schools. This topic was generally mentioned only in connection with serious diseases. Today it is clear that bad breath is not a life-threatening condition, although it can represent a serious social handicap for the afflicted individual. Contrary to popular belief, the disagreeable odor generally does not originate in the stomach or lungs and is rarely caused by indigestion. According to recent research, its most common sources are coatings on the dorsum of the tongue, postnasal drip and periodontal disease.
Our experience shows that halitosis is generally a chronic problem, resulting from changes in the oral cavity. It does not disappear in a week, like a common cold. Its symptoms can be successfully treated, but complete recovery depends on the restoration of balance between the quantity and quality of saliva and oral bacteria, which may require several years of treatment, according to the experience of American centres. The foul-smelling tongue coatings and post-nasal drip develop as a consequence of chronic oral and nasal changes. Their etiology has not been fully explained, but a silent chronic gastro- esophago-pharyngeal reflux is most frequently suggested as the source of all trouble. Proper treatment of periodontal disease and a comprehensive oral hygiene regimen, comprising mechanical and chemical cleaning of the mucosal surfaces of the tongue, pharynx and the nasal cavity, can give good results, restoring a healthy, confident smile to many a patient's face.
http://www.halimeter.com/halclinic.htm
Until recently, bad breath received little attention in the curricula of most medical and dental schools. This topic was generally mentioned only in connection with serious diseases. Today it is clear that bad breath is not a life-threatening condition, although it can represent a serious social handicap for the afflicted individual. Contrary to popular belief, the disagreeable odor generally does not originate in the stomach or lungs and is rarely caused by indigestion. According to recent research, its most common sources are coatings on the dorsum of the tongue, postnasal drip and periodontal disease.
Our experience shows that halitosis is generally a chronic problem, resulting from changes in the oral cavity. It does not disappear in a week, like a common cold. Its symptoms can be successfully treated, but complete recovery depends on the restoration of balance between the quantity and quality of saliva and oral bacteria, which may require several years of treatment, according to the experience of American centres. The foul-smelling tongue coatings and post-nasal drip develop as a consequence of chronic oral and nasal changes. Their etiology has not been fully explained, but a silent chronic gastro- esophago-pharyngeal reflux is most frequently suggested as the source of all trouble. Proper treatment of periodontal disease and a comprehensive oral hygiene regimen, comprising mechanical and chemical cleaning of the mucosal surfaces of the tongue, pharynx and the nasal cavity, can give good results, restoring a healthy, confident smile to many a patient's face.
http://www.halimeter.com/halclinic.htm
Bad Breath is very closely related to post nasal drip, excess mucus, sinus problems, your tonsils, and tonsiloliths.
Every case of bad breath is different and that there is no such thing as one formula to treat every case of halitosis.
The bacteria which cause bad breath and sour/bitter/metallic tastes are anaerobic (live without oxygen). Their goal in life is to break down the proteins in foods that we eat. However, under certain conditions, they will also start to break down the proteins found in mucus and phlegm.
Therefore, those people who suffer from post nasal drip, sinus problems, and other such ailments are more prone to bad breath and lousy tastes because the bacteria use the mucus as a food source and start to extract sulfur compounds from the amino acids that make up the proteins found in all this excess mucus.
Scientifically, the anaerobic bacteria that cause bad breath "love" the amino acids Cysteine and Methionine, which are the building blocks of the proteins that are found in mucus (and phlegm) and in dairy foods, too. In fact, many people notice that when they drink too much milk or eat too much cheese they end up with more mucous or phlegm in their throat. This is a natural reaction for many people and unfortunately, ends up causing more bad breath and lousy taste.
If you still have your tonsils, you may be harboring a higher number of the bacteria which can lead to an "interesting" and very often misunderstood phenomenon, called TONSILOLITHS. Literally translated, they are "tonsil stones" produced by the conglomeration of mucus draining down the back of the throat and the volatile sulfur compounds created by the bacteria which easily end up in the "nooks and crannies" of the tonsils, every time one swallows. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard from my patients who asked their dentist what these objects were, and more often than not the answer was 'food particles'. This couldn't be further from the truth.
If you suffer from excess mucus, sinus congestion and post nasal drip there are essentially only a few different routes that you can take:
Use medication and or drugs to dry up the sinuses and prevent mucus buildup - all the while being careful to avoid a dry mouth, a likely side-effect of virtually all antihistamines. Dry mouth is the most common initiator of bad breath because it mimics an anaerobic environment, perfect for the "bugs" to pump out Volatile Sulfur Compounds. You should be careful about using any antihistamine too frequently - many are habit forming!
Every case of bad breath is different and that there is no such thing as one formula to treat every case of halitosis.
The bacteria which cause bad breath and sour/bitter/metallic tastes are anaerobic (live without oxygen). Their goal in life is to break down the proteins in foods that we eat. However, under certain conditions, they will also start to break down the proteins found in mucus and phlegm.
Therefore, those people who suffer from post nasal drip, sinus problems, and other such ailments are more prone to bad breath and lousy tastes because the bacteria use the mucus as a food source and start to extract sulfur compounds from the amino acids that make up the proteins found in all this excess mucus.
Scientifically, the anaerobic bacteria that cause bad breath "love" the amino acids Cysteine and Methionine, which are the building blocks of the proteins that are found in mucus (and phlegm) and in dairy foods, too. In fact, many people notice that when they drink too much milk or eat too much cheese they end up with more mucous or phlegm in their throat. This is a natural reaction for many people and unfortunately, ends up causing more bad breath and lousy taste.
If you still have your tonsils, you may be harboring a higher number of the bacteria which can lead to an "interesting" and very often misunderstood phenomenon, called TONSILOLITHS. Literally translated, they are "tonsil stones" produced by the conglomeration of mucus draining down the back of the throat and the volatile sulfur compounds created by the bacteria which easily end up in the "nooks and crannies" of the tonsils, every time one swallows. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard from my patients who asked their dentist what these objects were, and more often than not the answer was 'food particles'. This couldn't be further from the truth.
If you suffer from excess mucus, sinus congestion and post nasal drip there are essentially only a few different routes that you can take:
Use medication and or drugs to dry up the sinuses and prevent mucus buildup - all the while being careful to avoid a dry mouth, a likely side-effect of virtually all antihistamines. Dry mouth is the most common initiator of bad breath because it mimics an anaerobic environment, perfect for the "bugs" to pump out Volatile Sulfur Compounds. You should be careful about using any antihistamine too frequently - many are habit forming!
Post Nasal Drip Bad Breath
By R. Drysdale
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The problem of post nasal drip bad breath is that post nasal drip, a chronic symptom that can be very difficult to correct, provides a constant food supply to bacteria that produce the bad odor we associate with bad breath (halitosis). The drip is a continual flow of mucus from the nasal passages and sinuses that contains proteins and other food supplies for bacteria. The bacteria that benefit from this are frequently those that live on the back of the tongue, many of them anaerobes that produce foul smelling sulfur compounds when they break down proteins.
Contributing to bad breath sinus discharge can also result in tonsiloliths, collections of dead cells and debris that lodge on the tonsils and in tonsillar crypts and grow into pale stone-like aggregates. These "tonsil stones," like the discharge, provide food for bacteria and a place for bacteria to live. Tonsiloliths are usually noticeably malodorous and though they are eventually dislodged, they tend to recur - another troublesome type of post nasal drip bad breath.
The best hope for relief of bad breath sinus trouble, of course, is to treat the sinus problem and hope that the flow of discharge can be decreased enough to cut down the populations of bacteria that are producing the odor. Sinus problems should be evaluated by a doctor and treated appropriately. While many people are able to lessen or get rid of a chronic sinus condition, post nasal drip bad breath will be an ongoing problem for others. It may require a long term commitment to treating the bad breath with a commercial product that fights the troublesome bacteria from a different angle.
Some commercial products directly address the problem of post nasal drip bad breath by producing sinus drops, which can be used in conjunction with an effective mouthwash. The best products for fighting bad breath are aimed at decreasing the populations of odor producing bacteria and then keeping their numbers so low that no odor is detectable on the breath. Bad breath sinus drops are a relatively new product on the market and are not available from every supplier. If you suspect that your bad breath is connected to post nasal drip, you might want to try this approach.
R. Drysdale is a freelance writer with more than 25 years experience as a health care professional. She is a contributing editor to Post Nasal Drip Bad Breath, a blog dedicated to the treatment of bad breath.
By R. Drysdale
Report this article if you suspect it is not original content, is in violation of our Editorial Guidelines or our Author's Terms of Service.
The problem of post nasal drip bad breath is that post nasal drip, a chronic symptom that can be very difficult to correct, provides a constant food supply to bacteria that produce the bad odor we associate with bad breath (halitosis). The drip is a continual flow of mucus from the nasal passages and sinuses that contains proteins and other food supplies for bacteria. The bacteria that benefit from this are frequently those that live on the back of the tongue, many of them anaerobes that produce foul smelling sulfur compounds when they break down proteins.
Contributing to bad breath sinus discharge can also result in tonsiloliths, collections of dead cells and debris that lodge on the tonsils and in tonsillar crypts and grow into pale stone-like aggregates. These "tonsil stones," like the discharge, provide food for bacteria and a place for bacteria to live. Tonsiloliths are usually noticeably malodorous and though they are eventually dislodged, they tend to recur - another troublesome type of post nasal drip bad breath.
The best hope for relief of bad breath sinus trouble, of course, is to treat the sinus problem and hope that the flow of discharge can be decreased enough to cut down the populations of bacteria that are producing the odor. Sinus problems should be evaluated by a doctor and treated appropriately. While many people are able to lessen or get rid of a chronic sinus condition, post nasal drip bad breath will be an ongoing problem for others. It may require a long term commitment to treating the bad breath with a commercial product that fights the troublesome bacteria from a different angle.
Some commercial products directly address the problem of post nasal drip bad breath by producing sinus drops, which can be used in conjunction with an effective mouthwash. The best products for fighting bad breath are aimed at decreasing the populations of odor producing bacteria and then keeping their numbers so low that no odor is detectable on the breath. Bad breath sinus drops are a relatively new product on the market and are not available from every supplier. If you suspect that your bad breath is connected to post nasal drip, you might want to try this approach.
R. Drysdale is a freelance writer with more than 25 years experience as a health care professional. She is a contributing editor to Post Nasal Drip Bad Breath, a blog dedicated to the treatment of bad breath.
