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in my case i eat a lot of spicy foods, hot sauces, picante sauces, when i say a lot i mean a lot do you recommend me stoppin?aydinmur wrote:General rule in medicine: Find the reason(s) and eliminate it (them).PR1988 wrote:for type 3 halitosis what are some thing we can do to help or lower halitosis?
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halitosisux
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Aydinmur, thankyou for the important questions you have so far answered on this forum. Your presense on here is so vitally important. After hearing some of your understandings on the whole subject of bb, I notice that no mention so far has been made on the types of bacteria which may inhabit the mouth which have fairly recently been discovered in those with unexplainable chronic halitosis. Can you please give us as much information that you can on this. Are there really certain specific species of bacteria that reside in people with chronic BB and not in those who dont? If this is true then isnt this where attention needs to be focused?
Is it not possible to permanently "change" the composition of microbial flora once its been established? If antibiotics are known to mess things up then surely they can mess things up enough times until the mess becomes favourable rather than unfavourable in BB terms.
This would apply not only to the oral microbial flora but also the intestinal.
Am I talking complete nonsense? Is this all too simplistic?
Is it not possible to permanently "change" the composition of microbial flora once its been established? If antibiotics are known to mess things up then surely they can mess things up enough times until the mess becomes favourable rather than unfavourable in BB terms.
This would apply not only to the oral microbial flora but also the intestinal.
Am I talking complete nonsense? Is this all too simplistic?
in mycase i have silent reflux because i dont get heartburn. But those gases going up to throat can cause some time of bad breath correct?aydinmur wrote:PR1988 wrote:okay sorry let me try it again.
How does acid reflux cause bb? acid from stomach refluxes up and then gets into the mouth right but what i notice is that i reach to the back of my throat and rub it my salvia will smell. is it because of the acid?
There is not clear evidence acid that reflux is a reason of halitosis. Gases from stomach may be.
However, if liquids can leak through gastroeusophagial sphincter, most probable that gases too are leaking out.
Every throat may have bad odor for awhile but the odor is not emitted from mouth.
sorry if im being ignorant but what the difference between Halitosis and Bad Breath?
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lol Aydinmur, a lecture on this would be good!
Sorry to everyone who knows their BB is nothing to do with type 1, but I would like to fully understand this. It may also apply to microbial flora elsewhere in the body too so its important to understand for every type of BB.
Ok, so from my understanding, is it correct to say the flora which establishes itself does so because of the particular ecology which happens to be present. And that changes in the ecology (such as variations in oxygenation and other similar chemical factors, immunological, hormonal imbalances and defects etc) which might be the case in various disease processes etc are what allow the overgrowth of existing as well as the introduction of different species of bacteria etc?
In other words, a "normal" ecology gives a "normal" profile of bacterial composition, i.e one which does not give bad breath, and vice versa with an "abnormal" ecology.
And, so there is always a reason, relating to ecology, that causes bad breath, and its all about finding out that reason. As simple as that (if only doctors would take BB seriously enough to help to find out!)
And I guess because each of us has natural variations between each other, our ecologies are going to be slightly different. Which is why, for instance, some people may happen to have the bacteria which has been identified as making some people more susceptible to various dental decay and diseases.
So this is why its pointless trying to permanently change the microbial composition, with probiotics or antibiotics etc.
Sorry to everyone who knows their BB is nothing to do with type 1, but I would like to fully understand this. It may also apply to microbial flora elsewhere in the body too so its important to understand for every type of BB.
Ok, so from my understanding, is it correct to say the flora which establishes itself does so because of the particular ecology which happens to be present. And that changes in the ecology (such as variations in oxygenation and other similar chemical factors, immunological, hormonal imbalances and defects etc) which might be the case in various disease processes etc are what allow the overgrowth of existing as well as the introduction of different species of bacteria etc?
In other words, a "normal" ecology gives a "normal" profile of bacterial composition, i.e one which does not give bad breath, and vice versa with an "abnormal" ecology.
And, so there is always a reason, relating to ecology, that causes bad breath, and its all about finding out that reason. As simple as that (if only doctors would take BB seriously enough to help to find out!)
And I guess because each of us has natural variations between each other, our ecologies are going to be slightly different. Which is why, for instance, some people may happen to have the bacteria which has been identified as making some people more susceptible to various dental decay and diseases.
So this is why its pointless trying to permanently change the microbial composition, with probiotics or antibiotics etc.
Halitosisux,
once again u are absoultely right and I totally agree with u -
"In other words, a "normal" ecology gives a "normal" profile of bacterial composition, i.e one which does not give bad breath, and vice versa with an "abnormal" ecology.
And, so there is always a reason, relating to ecology, that causes bad breath, and its all about finding out that reason. As simple as that..."
I have developed that theory many times and I personally know that is my problem - my ecology has changed and I `m "lucky" enough to know exactly why.
My silent reflux, which reaches my pharynx, makes the tissues of the throat secrete thick mucous to protect themselves from reflux. That thick mucous is a perfect environment for bacteria to develop and thrive.
I know that I have to stop reflux first and then work on ecology, it`s as simple as that
once again u are absoultely right and I totally agree with u -
"In other words, a "normal" ecology gives a "normal" profile of bacterial composition, i.e one which does not give bad breath, and vice versa with an "abnormal" ecology.
And, so there is always a reason, relating to ecology, that causes bad breath, and its all about finding out that reason. As simple as that..."
I have developed that theory many times and I personally know that is my problem - my ecology has changed and I `m "lucky" enough to know exactly why.
My silent reflux, which reaches my pharynx, makes the tissues of the throat secrete thick mucous to protect themselves from reflux. That thick mucous is a perfect environment for bacteria to develop and thrive.
I know that I have to stop reflux first and then work on ecology, it`s as simple as that
aydinmur wrote:Yep.!halitosisux wrote:Are there really certain specific species of bacteria that reside in people with chronic BB and not in those who dont? If this is true then isnt this where attention needs to be focused? Is it not possible to permanently "change" the composition of microbial flora once its been established?
This is my interesting area. You always ask good questions.
I if someones dont stop me. Im compressing all information into one sentence:
In order to permanently alter their profile and nature we must change ecology. This is the key.
Murat,
I would also like to hear the lecture. Its interesting. Thanks.
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Thanx iva, I know you'll get there eventually with your reflux issue, and I hope you find you were right about the cause of your BB.
Iva, just out of curiousity, do you get heartburn and the taste of acid in your mouth and throat?
A few weeks ago I had a heavy late night meal and half way through the night I woke up suddenly choking on what tasted like pure battery acid. I was so alarmed I instinctively forced it back down rather than allow it into my mouth. That has never happened to me before.
Iva, just out of curiousity, do you get heartburn and the taste of acid in your mouth and throat?
A few weeks ago I had a heavy late night meal and half way through the night I woke up suddenly choking on what tasted like pure battery acid. I was so alarmed I instinctively forced it back down rather than allow it into my mouth. That has never happened to me before.
Hi Iva, that is exactly what is happening with me. My silent reflux (not burning), which is real for me, but not observed by doctors, alters the bacterial ecology everyday in my esophagus, throat and mouth, perhaps sinuses too.
I feel this metallic taste from the back of my throat and worse on mornings or when lying down.
I found from the "reflux forum" about the "Gaviscon Advance" product, which contains sodium alginate and appears to only be sold outside of the US. It supposed to stop silent reflux by creating a tampon in the sphincter between stomach and esophagus avoiding fluids to go up through throat and mouth.
Have you ever tried it?
If so, did it work?
I feel this metallic taste from the back of my throat and worse on mornings or when lying down.
I found from the "reflux forum" about the "Gaviscon Advance" product, which contains sodium alginate and appears to only be sold outside of the US. It supposed to stop silent reflux by creating a tampon in the sphincter between stomach and esophagus avoiding fluids to go up through throat and mouth.
Have you ever tried it?
If so, did it work?
Halitosisux,
Thank u for the kind words, I do hope I`ll be able to fix it some day, not without the help of people like Aydin Murat..
I do not get the burning sensation because I take Nexium and control it, but I do get a sour metallic displeasant taste in my mouth.
Renato, I have tried Gaviscon and it doesn`t work for me, in fact nothing stops my reflux, it`s just some diet and less food that lessen it somehow.
PR1988, yes I suffer silent reflux, I am not sure about smelling my own breath but I can smell the dorsum of my hand when I lick it.
Thank u for the kind words, I do hope I`ll be able to fix it some day, not without the help of people like Aydin Murat..
I do not get the burning sensation because I take Nexium and control it, but I do get a sour metallic displeasant taste in my mouth.
Renato, I have tried Gaviscon and it doesn`t work for me, in fact nothing stops my reflux, it`s just some diet and less food that lessen it somehow.
PR1988, yes I suffer silent reflux, I am not sure about smelling my own breath but I can smell the dorsum of my hand when I lick it.